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PriceofMagic wrote: I was thinking about the CaptainSwanFire triangle and about love triangles in general and in every triangle involving two guys and a girl, there is always the “nice guy” and the “bad boy”. In the case of CSF, Hook is the “bad boy” and Neal is the “nice guy”.
It’s a total trope. I’ve got a friend who is just a casual viewer, and she got caught up on S3 recently and then tweeted about CS and I joked, “I dunno if we can be friends any more.”
She laughed and said she just always sides with the bad boy in a love triangle, (she also loves a love triangle, TVD is her fave show which I haven’t seen, but I understand that show does a love triangle like WHOA).Love triangles are awful but TVD has to top the poll of worst/most crushing love triangle ever for me personally. God help us if the CSF triangle ever reaches even half of what the TVD one has.
Phee wrote: ALL of what Schmacky said, but this is an important point IMO. She claimed in the bar that she kept the swan pendant to remind her to never trust anyone again, (an obvious lie), and then a few days later she was trusting him to take Henry back to NYC with him for safe keeping.
Emma was trusting him even before that! She trusted him to go on a family outing to pizza and a museum. She trusted him to sail the JR to SB with Rumple, whom she knew she had to save because he was family now. She trusted him against Cora. Less than 48 hours really and she’s Trusty McTrusterson with him.
This is so true. Emma trust Neal implicitly almost immediately in Manhattan and it hasn’t wavered since that. She trusted that he had her back with the Tamara situation and with the Save Henry mission in Neverland. And like you both said she trusted him with the most important thing to her, Henry, and really that says it all.
What was that quote from 304 (?): “and before I could even take a breath I lost him all over again…” Sorta reminds me of Charming and Snow’s conversation in the Red Room
David: It’s okay. You’ll get back, and then you’ll wake me as I woke you. You will always find me, and I will always find you. MMB: Yes. Will we always lose each other, too? Is that our fate? David: No. I refuse to believe that. You need to have faith… In us.
Phee wrote: Reminds me a bit of the Snowing conversation where he said they always find each other and she said that they’re always losing each other too, so maybe that’s their fate
So I totally drew the same conclusion before I read your entire paragraph…. WE ARE LIKE IN SYNCH PHEE.
This is such a perfect observation. Intentional or not, you can’t help but notice all the Snowing/SF parallels
[adrotate group="5"]Hey everyone I’m Di! I’m mostly on tumblr (under this same username) but I’ve really wanted a place to have involved convos about SF and that’s really hard to do on the tumblr format & someone recently shared a link to this forum so here I am! 🙂
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Love triangles are awful but TVD has to top the poll of worst/most crushing love triangle ever for me personally. God help us if the CSF triangle ever reaches even half of what the TVD one has.
I googled the TVD one before, and on the show’s Wikia, there’s actually a whole section for the Love Triangles, and there’s 4 of them, and 2 of them involve the same 2 guys just with a different girl in each triangle, and it just made me wanna *HEADDESK* before even reading about them individually. LOL
Hey everyone I’m Di! I’m mostly on tumblr (under this same username) but I’ve really wanted a place to have involved convos about SF and that’s really hard to do on the tumblr format & someone recently shared a link to this forum so here I am!
Love what I’ve read so far and I’ll do a more detailed post/reply soon but for now just wanted to introduce myself. Looking forward to chatting with you all soon! Welcome to the forums! All newbies get cookies and hot cocoa with cinnamon!
On the 8th day of January, the SFer’s gave to RG:
8 Sneaky fairies
7 Dwarves a drinking
6 Anton sized mugs of Hot Chocolate with Cinnamon served by Regina
5 RumBelle kisses
4 Times Neal makes puppy eyes
3 Snowing saying “I will find you”
2 Henry hugs
and Emma kicking Hook in the balls!EIGHT sneaky fairies!!! Oh goondess. We’re doomed.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"This is such a perfect observation. Intentional or not, you can’t help but notice all the Snowing/SF parallels
I agree. The first post on our first page, Slurpeez has sketched out all the parallels between the two (and Rumbelle also) and even though I tend to think each couple is their own unique story, it’s easy to see a lot of the Snowing/SF ones.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I love how she looks at him when he’s reconciling with Rumple, and how she looks when he’s just lost him.
I love that moment when Emma genuinely smiles at Neal and Rumple reconciling, because she knows what it is to be a lost child and to then find your parents after a lifetime of feeling alone. She is inspired when she sees Neal hugging his dad to then turn and hug her own parents. Emma and Neal intuitively understand each other, because they have walked in each other shoes. Neal is the lost boy to Emma’s lost girl, and both of them found each other and their families, only to be separated again. It’s so heartbreaking that Neal lost his father, his son and his great love all in one day, and Emma lost her memories of her family and Neal sacrificing himself for her. At least Emma has Henry, but she has lost a big part of herself, too. She is once again that little orphan girl who used to cry and wonder why her parents gave her up. If it hadn’t been for Neal letting her go to break the first curse, Emma never would’ve known her parents at all. Now, it’s a matter of Emma regaining her memories (hopefully after seeing Neal’s dreamcatcher and drinking the potion) and also of Emma searching for her parents and for Neal. I have a feeling we’re going to be seeing Emma rescuing Neal from some sort of precarious situation
Here is another lovely SF video. Neal and Emma – How it Feels to Let You Go
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
ems14 wrote: Love triangles are awful but TVD has to top the poll of worst/most crushing love triangle ever for me personally. God help us if the CSF triangle ever reaches even half of what the TVD one has.
I googled the TVD one before, and on the show’s Wikia, there’s actually a whole section for the Love Triangles, and there’s 4 of them, and 2 of them involve the same 2 guys just with a different girl in each triangle, and it just made me wanna *HEADDESK* before even reading about them individually. LOL
*whispers* And the 2 guys are actually brothers. They make the CaptainFire bro ship look normal. But seriously that show and it’s triangle destroyed one of favorite couples ever so I hope and pray Adam and Eddy will know when enough is enough with CSF because OUAT/the show is so much bigger than that.
ems14 wrote: This is such a perfect observation. Intentional or not, you can’t help but notice all the Snowing/SF parallels
I agree. The first post on our first page, Slurpeez has sketched out all the parallels between the two (and Rumbelle also) and even though I tend to think each couple is their own unique story, it’s easy to see a lot of the Snowing/SF ones.
A lot of the couples on the show do have common ground. As much as I do love the parallels, I agree that each individual couple has their own unique aspects. I think the Snowing/SF ones as particularly obvious though especially after 3×10. Shipper goggles aside the Snow/Emma parallels were anything but subtle in that episode and I don’t think the Neal/date and Charming/baby aspect was coincidental either.
Another SF video. Neal and Emma – Say Something
Seriously, right when her parents had started to get through to her that the good moments can happen, this happens instead, to prove her doomsday mindset. But he told her this wasn’t the end, and we know that he’ll be proven right and they will see each other again. Reminds me a bit of the Snowing conversation where he said they always find each other and she said that they’re always losing each other too, so maybe that’s their fate. There may be a lot of parental stuff that Snowing really did miss out on offering to Emma, but there are still things they know about better than she does, and the power of love to endure anything, despite the bumps in the road, is one of those things they’re experts in.
Yes! “I’ll see you again” is just another way of saying “I’ll always find you.” Neal now believes that more than ever, having survived a near-fatal gunshot wound, falling through a portal and still finding a way back to Emma and Henry in Neverland. Emma, however, still isn’t ready to put any stock into the belief that she owes it to herself to have hope for a happy ending because bad stuff keeps happening to her! Emma told her mother in S2 that she thinks that the optimism that runs in her family must’ve skipped a generation. Poor Emma! Being the savior has meant she didn’t get the home with Neal and Henry that she’d always wanted, and now another curse is ripping her from the man she loves and the parents she just found. It’s all so tragic! Yet, I still have hope, as surely as Neal does, that second chances are possible and believe, along with Snow and Charming, that Emma owes it to herself to discover if she could have good moments with the guy she loves.
ETA: Here is a lovely fan-made SF image. Just beautiful!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
So many beautiful things!!!
Those videos were lovely. And I love that manip of future Castle Tallahassee.
I guess that brings me to my favorite SF moment of 311. Obviously the goodbye at the road. At the moment Emma needed hope the most, it was Neal who gave it to her. To declarations of undying love or pressure to remember him or anything too sentimental. He gave her the gift of hope. I am reminded of the Rumbelle phone call where Rumple gave Belle the gift who she was instead of burdening her with his feelings.
And also, the fact that despite the fact that she has no connection to the city, somehow Emma ended up in NYC playing Charlie’s Girl.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And also, the fact that despite the fact that she has no connection to the city, somehow Emma ended up in NYC playing Charlie’s Girl.
The title for 3×11 is “Going Home” because the reversal of the curse meant everybody got sent home. And where did Emma end up? In NYC, the same place Neal recently called home. Why not Boston where Emma was living prior to SB? Because home is wherever Neal’s home is. That fact that Emma ended up in Manhattan even when cursed, plus the fact that she was listening to the same song Neal was in “Broken” really makes me SF is meant to be. That’s my theory, and I’m sticking with it.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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