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Thanks for the welcome everyone!! *hugs to all* *enjoys my cookies and hot cocoa…with cinnamon of course! Thanks for remembering!*
melbell wrote: Just wanted to let you all know that until episode 5 (the CS kiss), I didn’t realize there was a love triangle- just thought that Emma and Neal NEEDED to find each other in Neverland and how tragic it was that she thought he was still dead. To me, I always thought Emma and Neal were endgame but can’t be together yet because… well most shows don’t put their endgame couple together without a few obstacles
I agree! I think most casual viewers would be very shocked at what of this fandom thinks about the show.
Haha totally! Sometimes being in fandom can make you feel like you’re going insane because people have…interesting interpretations of the show. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Melbell! And don’t be afraid to grace us with more sometime! It will be great to hear from someone who hasn’t been too influenced by fandom…yet lol
Yep! Home is a big thing for SF. That’s what Tallahassee was gonna be for them. A real home is what they’d both longed for all their lives. And in the ep Going Home, two thirds of the SF Family ended up making their home in the city that the other third of the family had made his home. Emma’s tagline on her promo poster was about a lost girl finding her way home, and over the course of this season we’ve seen her seeing Neal reunite with his father, which made her reflect on her own reunion with her own parents. She found home in them, and then she lost it all, but she ended up where Neal’s home had been. None of this is coincidence.
I love this! So true!! I was SO excited when Emma and Henry were not only in NY but listening to “Neal’s song” as I like to think of it (though now I think of it as Swanfire’s song haha). Not coincidence at all.
And ITA that Emma’s home is with her family: her parents and Neal IMO. And I don’t know if this was officially confirmed or not but I think these were real, the posters going around for Neal too that said “believe in second chances”. Neal has already established his second chance with his father by reconciling with him and I fully believe his other and main second chance is with his own family/Emma. I just am not sure how far they will go into that this season. Not sure how much they want to play with the triangle (sigh) but I’m really hoping they decide to wrap it up by the finale and show us more progress for SF. (though I’m being generous here, IMO the LT should ideally be wrapped up within the first few eps back in 3B, but that may be expecting too much of a tv show. Especially one with creators that wrote for Lost which stubbornly held onto their triangle pretty much the entire series–even though it was mostly over by the second to last season)
ETA something I realised right when I hit submit. Neal not being able to watch Henry walk away is similar to how Emma couldn’t look at newborn Henry. Both of them knew that if they looked in that moment, they wouldn’t be able to let him go.
Oh my goodness why would you say that! I’m okay…I am. Nope, no I’m not. I feel like there was so much focus put on Regina in that segment that people were not realizing how much Neal was losing…again. Guy can’t catch a break for more than 5 minutes. His dad, then his son and his “person” (to borrow from Regina lol). I demand some happy Neal by the end of this season! He deserves it!
I’d love to discuss more but it’s my bedtime! I spent too much time squealing with fellow sfers on a chat & tumblr about the pics we got from MRJ & JMo today. Talk to you all soon!
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And ITA that Emma’s home is with her family: her parents and Neal IMO. And I don’t know if this was officially confirmed or not but I think these were real, the posters going around for Neal too that said “believe in second chances”.
100% real! ABC tweeted them being official right before 311 aired.
Especially one with creators that wrote for Lost which stubbornly held onto their triangle pretty much the entire series–even though it was mostly over by the second to last season
YES. Die hard LOST fan but that triangle needed to be OVER. And this one does as well. LOST didn’t have the social media aspect like ONCE does which might be why this triangle feels worse than Skate vs Jate
Oh my goodness why would you say that! I’m okay…I am. Nope, no I’m not. I feel like there was so much focus put on Regina in that segment that people were not realizing how much Neal was losing…again. Guy can’t catch a break for more than 5 minutes. His dad, then his son and his “person” (to borrow from Regina lol). I demand some happy Neal by the end of this season! He deserves it!
In her latest essay Screwball says that it’s not surprising that Neal doesn’t have a larger fanbase when such key scenes–like between him and Henry–are swept aside.
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/72675116858/why-i-was-meh-about-going-home-whats-that
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
“I love Neal. He’s a very real character. He’s made mistakes but he knows this & doesn’t try to act like he’s never done anything wrong. He takes responsibility & doesn’t think Emma owes him anything. He’s also a very forgiving person, like with his father. Ever since he found out he has a son he’s been a great dad and been by Henry’s side & doing everything he can to keep him safe. After the horrible life he’s had, he’s still very hopeful & believes he’ll see Emma & Henry again.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I love Neal. He’s a very real character. He’s made mistakes but he knows this & doesn’t try to act like he’s never done anything wrong. He takes responsibility & doesn’t think Emma owes him anything. He’s also a very forgiving person, like with his father. Ever since he found out he has a son he’s been a great dad and been by Henry’s side & doing everything he can to keep him safe. After the horrible life he’s had, he’s still very hopeful & believes he’ll see Emma & Henry again.”
Despite having made misjudgments, Neal has owned up to them, apologized for them, and has done his upmost to be there for Henry and Emma since they re-entered his life. Unlike Hook, who was consumed by revenge, hatred and self-interest after he lost Milha, Neal has never given into contempt or a need for revenge after all of the bad things that have happened to him. Sure, Neal was angry at his dad for abandoning him and frightened of being found by his father. Nevertheless, Nealfire never stopped trying to the right thing, and ever since Emma and Henry entered Neal’s life in the present-day, he’s striven to do right by both of them. I know nothing can make up for the fact that he left Emma, yet Emma realizes that he was a victim of the curse, too, just as she was. Emma sees he is trying his best by apologizing and expressing his regret. Hook has yet to even acknowledge when he’s actually being a scoundrel or to apologize to Emma for twice leaving her to die. I just hope Emma can start to see through that mask of “good form” when really, Hook’s interest in Emma is really self-interest. I give Hook credit for helping Emma get her son back, but the fact that he only saved Charming in order to get something in return from Emma in the form of a kiss is really quite disturbing. By contrast, Neal convinced his father to help Charming without expecting anything in return, simply because it’s the right thing to do.
Have you ever seen the 1995 film Rob Roy? There is a great conversation that Rob has with his sons about what it means to be a real man of honor.
Son: Father, will the MacGregor’s ever be kings again?
ROB ROY: All men with honor are kings – but not all kings have honor.
SON: What is honor?
ROB ROY: Honor is.. what no man can give ye, and no one can take away. Honor is a man’s gift to himself.
SON: Do women have it?
ROB ROY: Women are the heart of honor – and we cherish and protect it in them. You must never mistreat a woman, or malign a man. Or stand by and see another do so.
SON: How do you know if you have it?
ROB ROY: Never worry in the getting of it. It grows in ye and speaks to ye. All you need to do is listen.”I love that Neal has a real sense of honor about him. He has never been one to mistreat a woman, to malign a man or to stand by and see another do so. Baelfire detested when Rumple would cause harm to innocent people and tried to do something about by taking his father to A Land Without Magic. When the dark shadow was hounding the Darling children, Baelfire took it upon himself to do something about it by sacrificing himself. While some would argue that Neal mistreated Emma, he never intentionally harmed her; in fact, Adam and Eddy have said on record that Neal letting Emma go to free her family was an act of self-sacrifice. Finally, Neal was willing to sacrifice himself for his son and Emma so that Henry wouldn’t have to grow up alone. That is just what a man of honor does, and it’s not something that anyone can give him except himself.
By contrast, Hook might tell himself he is a man of honor, and yet we’ve seen him mistreat women (Emma, Belle, Snow, Aurora, Mulan and Regina included), as well malign a man (he challenged a cripple to a duel). Hook has boasted of having had many a man’s wife. He does not cherish women as the heart of honor, since he has a reputation for being a ladies’ man and he seduced another man’s wife (and anyone who justifies adultery has a skewed sense of honor anyway). Sure, Hook claims that he wants Emma to see him as a man of honor, and yet he manipulated events so that Emma would show him what her father’s life means to her in the form of a kiss. Sure, Hook told Emma’s parents that Neal was still alive. Yes, he risked his life by returning to Neverland in the first place. And yes, Hook has done these things for Emma, but he has yet to do them for himself or his own sense of honor. He has yet to make any real self-sacrifices.
Hook still makes passes at other women (Tinkerbell) and allows Emma to assume the appearance of a dalliance with Tink even when there was none. That means that Hook does not really value Tinkerbelle’s dignity, because he was tarnishing her reputation in front of Emma and Charming. Hook puts on the pretense of putting Henry’s and Neal’s interests first by claiming to step back from Emma; yet, it’s really a farce, because he expects Neal to fail miserably, thereby crushing Henry’s dreams of his parents’ reunion. That is not honorable; it’s selfish of Hook to desire his so-called son figure to fail, especially when Hook helped destroy Neal’s family as a child. By making a play for the woman his son-figure loves, it’s incredibly selfish of Hook once again to try to come between Neal and his family just like when Neal was a boy and he seduced the boy’s mother. It’s also completely hypocritical of Hook to fault Neal for leaving Emma, without knowing the real reason Neal left was to get Emma home to her parents; all the while Hook is guilty of the same thing, only worse, since Hook did so for completely selfish reasons and left Emma for dead in the magic jail cell and unable to return home to her son. Hook swindled Emma in the face of danger when the fail-safe could have killed her and everyone else besides Henry. Hook clearly only thinks of Emma insofar as he now hopes to gain something from impressing her. Hook has yet to make any self-sacrifices where he expects nothing in return. That is why his redemption arc is far from complete, and why Hook still lacks real honor in my estimation.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I have nothing to say except that I’d like to hug Slurpeez’s post.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"On the 9th day of January, the SFer’s gave to RG:
9 objects Ariel “borrowed”
8 Sneaky fairies
7 Dwarves a drinking
6 Anton sized mugs of Hot Chocolate with Cinnamon served by Regina
5 RumBelle kisses
4 Times Neal makes puppy eyes
3 Snowing saying “I will find you”
2 Henry hugs
and Emma kicking Hook in the balls!All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixOn the 9th day of January, the SFer’s gave to RG:
9 objects Ariel “borrowed”
8 Sneaky fairies
7 Dwarves a drinking
6 Anton sized mugs of Hot Chocolate with Cinnamon served by Regina
5 RumBelle kisses
4 Times Neal makes puppy eyes
3 Snowing saying “I will find you”
2 Henry hugs
and Emma kicking Hook in the balls!Ah KleptoMaid
(this is my new favorite thing) You get all the cookies!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"LOVELY THING IS LOVELY AND WONDERFUL AND MAGICAL AND PERFECT
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Hi everyone.
Was good to hear that jen and mrj are filming together for epi 15, i still hope that episode 16 will be written by adam and eddie and will be neal centric or neal and emma centric, but lets see.
Just found this on the net and gave me hope for Swanfire.
Hobos around the fire, staying warm! (It’s a photoshop someone did of the Behind the Scene cast twitter photo).
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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