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January 10, 2014 at 1:12 am #236103
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ParticipantI heart our pair of fireside hobos! đ
ETA something I realised right when I hit submit. Neal not being able to watch Henry walk away is similar to how Emma couldnât look at newborn Henry. Both of them knew that if they looked in that moment, they wouldnât be able to let him go.
Oh my goodness why would you say that! Iâm okayâŚI am. Nope, no Iâm not.
Had to say it so I wasn’t the only one suffering over it. LOL đ Seriously though, I wonder if it was written into the script or if it was something MRJ thought to do himself after he’d read the whole thing? I mean, that scene is only just before the scene when Emma “changes her mind” and looks at Henry and keeps him, so I wanna say that whether it was the writers or MRJ, it was a deliberate choice.
[adrotate group="5"]January 10, 2014 at 1:18 am #236104fioredi
ParticipantIt would be great to find out! And that scene of Emma giving Henry up is honestly one of my top 2 most heartbreaking moments in the show (the other being Snow kissing baby Emma goodbye and crying on the bed afterward) so I was very happy that we got a “redo” even if it was an implanted memory.Â
But poor Neal still never got extra time/memories with his son, instead he loses another year. Crying forever.fioredi wrote: Especially one with creators that wrote for Lost which stubbornly held onto their triangle pretty much the entire seriesâeven though it was mostly over by the second to last season
YES. Die hard LOST fan but that triangle needed to be OVER. And this one does as well. LOST didnât have the social media aspect like ONCE does which might be why this triangle feels worse than Skate vs Jate
ITA! There were bad ship wars in the Lost fandom but tumblr didn’t exist then so now it’s even worse for any fandom!! Did you ship on Lost? I was a Jater đ
Thanks for the link to Screwball’s post! I will read it later!
Amazing post, Slurpeez! I agree with everything you said!!
Emma sees he is trying his best by apologizing and expressing his regret. Hook has yet to even acknowledge when heâs actually being a scoundrel or to apologize to Emma for twice leaving her to die. I just hope Emma can start to see through that mask of âgood formâ when really, Hookâs interest in Emma is really self-interest. I give Hook credit for helping Emma get her son back, but the fact that he only saved Charming in order to get something in return from Emma in the form of a kiss is really quite disturbing.
And this is part of what bugs me about what they’ve done to squeeze this triangle into the show. Pre-3×05 Emma would not have fallen for the good form thing anyway. She would have laughed in Hook’s face, rolled her eyes and pushed past him when he gestured to his lips for a kiss. And not saying anything to him when he tells her “when I win your heart, and I will⌔ WTH?? That is NOT Emma. They have had to make her OOC in order for CS/the triangle to work and it really sucks. I understand her seeing Hook differently and giving him a chance in terms of seeing him as an ally since he’s helping them, but that’s it. I don’t believe at all that pre-3×05 Emma would give Hook a second glance. So prayer circle that the memory wipe has also erased that Emma and once she gets all her memories back she’ll be all business again and tell Hook to take a hike as far as romantic notions go.
And yes, Neal just keeps proving that he is the man of honor. The one that will give her space, that allows and affirms her to feel what she feels and tells her she doesn’t have to apologize for it, but also lets her know he’s not giving up and he will fightâŚshe doesn’t have to worry about him leaving again. He doesn’t come on too strong so he doesn’t scare her off but he also isn’t willing to let her retreat behind her walls and refuse to talk about things so he tries things like “i’ll be sitting at the booth around lunch time & you’re welcome to join me”. And she WAS GOING TO. After a little father-daughter chat, even though she’s scared and doesn’t feel ready, she was going to try. But naturally they weren’t allowed that moment because another curse had to get in the way. Sigh, ok I’m stopping now I’m hurting myself haha. But I strongly believe that all of these wonderful nuggets in their story prove they are the couple the writers intend to be endgame, unfortunately they just also believe they have to use the tired old LT trope in order to make things “more
infuriatingÂÂ interesting”.Di
January 10, 2014 at 2:26 am #236106Phee
ParticipantDid you ship on Lost? I was a Jater đ
I wasn’t overly invested in Jate, but always figured it was sort of a no brainer that they were meant to be. The ship I was more invested in was Suliet. I will never be over how she fell into that pit! GAH, I just went to youtube them and that pit scene sorta made me think of the SF portal scene, (Sawyer begging Juliet not to let go, and her letting go for his own sake). And Suliet used to say they had each other’s backs, and we’ve had that a bit with SF too. If anyone needs me I’ll be collapsed in a crumpled heap of of multi-fandom FEELS in the corner.
January 10, 2014 at 2:54 am #236108fioredi
Participantyes!! Most definitely there was a parallel in the sf portal/sj pit scene. Suliet becoming a viable ship gives me hope that they can do that with Hook/Tink because I think they have potential & I definitely see SF as the Jate (aka the no brainer-meant to be pairing) of this triangle.
Di
January 10, 2014 at 7:54 am #236130RumplesGirl
KeymasterHad to say it so I wasnât the only one suffering over it. LOL đ Seriously though, I wonder if it was written into the script or if it was something MRJ thought to do himself after heâd read the whole thing? I mean, that scene is only just before the scene when Emma âchanges her mindâ and looks at Henry and keeps him, so I wanna say that whether it was the writers or MRJ, it was a deliberate choice.
if MRJ did it on his own…more tears!
TA! There were bad ship wars in the Lost fandom but tumblr didnât exist then so now itâs even worse for any fandom!! Did you ship on Lost? I was a Jater đ
JATE WAS FATE!
And this is part of what bugs me about what theyâve done to squeeze this triangle into the show. Pre-3Ă05 Emma would not have fallen for the good form thing anyway. She would have laughed in Hookâs face, rolled her eyes and pushed past him when he gestured to his lips for a kiss
I agree. It shouldn’t take saving a parent and a challenge for a kiss to happen. The kiss for me was very unromantic. It was a challenge and almost “I’ll prove you wrong!”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"January 10, 2014 at 8:04 am #236132RumplesGirl
KeymasterJanuary 10, 2014 at 8:08 am #236133RumplesGirl
KeymasterJanuary 10, 2014 at 9:15 am #236140Slurpeez
ParticipantI agree. It shouldnât take saving a parent and a challenge for a kiss to happen. The kiss for me was very unromantic. It was a challenge and almost âIâll prove you wrong!â
To me, that scene was very similar to S1 E2 when Regina challenged Emma by sending her to jail. Regina said, “you have no idea what I’m capable of.” Later on Emma cut off a limb of Regina apple tree and replied, “Sister, you have no idea what I’m capable of.” Emma is not one to back down from a challenge. Period. In fact, the more someone provokes Emma, the harder she punches back. Now there are going to be a lot of SQ fans who’ll read a romantic subtext into that scene between Emma and Regina, but I mostly just see two strong women who were challenging one another.
Likewise, the CS kiss in S3 E5 was more of a challenge than a romantic moment in my opinion. Sure, Emma went in for the kiss in a major way, but only after Hook insinuated that Emma owed him something in exchange for helping to prolong Charming’s life. She said he couldn’t handle it and did it almost to prove it to him. The way Hook asked Emma what her father’s life meant to her was just a major ick-factor. Even if I didn’t ship SF and had never scene another episode of OUAT, I would have cringed over the way Hook used helping save Charming as leverage to expect some sort of “payment” other than a simple thank you.
"Thatâs how you know youâve really got a home. When you leave it, thereâs this feeling that you canât shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
January 10, 2014 at 9:23 am #236142RumplesGirl
KeymasterJanuary 10, 2014 at 9:34 am #236146 -
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