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January 12, 2014 at 8:39 am #236561
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Keymaster[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"January 12, 2014 at 10:54 am #236589Slurpeez
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and watching you walk away
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
January 12, 2014 at 1:50 pm #236617RumplesGirl
Keymaster*clutches heart*
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"January 12, 2014 at 1:57 pm #236623Lauren
Participantlove that song its hauntingly beautiful
January 12, 2014 at 2:31 pm #236630Lauren
ParticipantJanuary 12, 2014 at 5:42 pm #236644Lauren
ParticipantJanuary 13, 2014 at 1:28 am #236685fioredi
ParticipantAdorable RG!So if you read those untold stories, there’s a Rumbelle one that’s interesting for SF. It’s the one where Rumpel wishes Belle were dead because he’s just so angry and hurt. I think it’s an interesting comparison because when you have a character that’s felt so unloved and alone as I think Emma and Rumple have, that kind of thought hurled at someone they actually do love, reflects their devastation and fear of being hurt, not their actual dislike and lack of love for the person. Emma continues to be written as not just having “feelings” some amorphous thing between friendship, infatuation, flattery, curiosity for Neal–she LOVES him, and as she “never stopped” it seems like that’s “IN LOVE” with him, even though at the present moment in the story there remain questions they have for each other, and about themselves. That’s character development though, and shows how this love story is being developed in the present day narrative.In this story, evil isn’t born, but made, and I think “True Love” is the same. You don’t fall instantly in True Love–you have a spark with someone that grows to a connection that deepens, and could become love, and then if you resist the temptations/challenges to give up when circumstances draw you apart, to continue to put the other person’s interests first, to try to understand them, forgive them when necessary, it can become “True Love”. Now I see why people feel that could apply to CS, and yes, it could–but it does to SF too every bit as much as it does with Rumbelle or Snowing because resisting the temptations doesn’t mean you never doubt yourself, never break apart, or that you never experience anger or mistrust of the other person. It means that despite all that you find a way back to each other, when a lesser degree of love would shatter and vanish, the connection between a true love pair is stronger. It doesn’t mean you always know the other is there, waiting. Alice says that in WL, but actually she was depressed and despondent, convinced Cyrus was gone until she saw some proof. As she said, its nice to have. Charming was willing to die to save Abigail’s cursed love, because either he helped her or he’d be out of his misery over Snow rejecting him. Aurora thought Phillip was dead, not realizing there was a way to get him back until Cora told her. Ariel with Eric, Cinderella with Thomas, had moments fearing the other wouldn’t trust or understand something about them (being a mermaid/deal with rumple) . If you stop the story at a moment, if you question it and tear into it the way people do who want something else to happen, it can really seem like the couple aren’t going to find their way back, shouldn’t because their belief in love at those moments is not enough to make the challenge non trivial. If you don’t do that though and pay attention to how we’re seeing BOTH sides of Emma and Neal’s perspectives here, it definitely seems like the writers are telling the story of how they fell back in love (even if we haven’t really seen that much of the story of how they fell in love in the first place). The important part, the part where that love is (I think) becoming “True” is when they choose to support, forgive, understand and trust each other despite the reasons to do the opposite.
Snow thought that Neal would understand Emma kissing Hook. He did. He never once showed anger at Emma about that, even though we can see it wasn’t that it didn’t trouble him. He obviously was jealous, and while he didn’t hold it all in, he also didn’t aggressively lash out at Hook or Emma. Emma had much the same restrained attitude with Tamara. Of course, she did not have a troubled history of her own with Tamara as Neal did with Hook. Plus, Emma had not yet been willing to admit or reveal that she still loved Neal, as she very much resisted being honest with herself, Neal or anyone about how she felt (and Neal too allowed fear and doubt to keep him from expressing all he felt as well). Neal learned his lesson though, and wasn’t going to keep that love inside this time around in NL. So it was harder, because he knew he felt something for Emma, as opposed to outwardly having that bit of a wall to cover the hurt, to pretend not to care at all. He could do nothing but feel it, but he didn’t let it turn into resentment. He acknowledged he had no claim, no right to demand her affections be his exclusively. He didn’t tell her she has to choose, then and there or even later. He only wanted her to know that he IS a choice because he loves her, and if she decides that all they have between them is Henry (even if he wants more), he will respect and understand it. So both of them have this respect, rather than just thinking of their own feelings, for each other, and their choices even when they think they aren’t going to be together, despite the pull they feel toward each other. They act like they love each other rather than they’re in a war trying to get back at each other, or insult each other, or one-up the other. They support each other, bring out the best (compassion, humor, confidence) in each other. So it doesn’t surprise me that Snow, having the experience of true love that survives misunderstandings, would see it between Neal and Emma and root for Emma to realize it too.*stands up and claps* This is a lovely and well-written post!! Thank you for sharing!!
And guys, I’m blanking out here…in that b/w gifset with the “What Hurts the Most” lyrics…what scene is the last gif of Neal from?
Di
January 13, 2014 at 1:48 am #236686heatherc1275
ParticipantHi guys! I’m still on vacation until tomorrow (it’s been an AMAZING trip!) but I wanted to check in to say HI, that I’ve missed you guys, and I love that there were all sorts of pretty things for me to see when I finally got a chance to come here! Can’t wait to chat it up with you again once I get home! 🙂
#HopeforSwanFire
#MoreBOOMLessGloomJanuary 13, 2014 at 4:43 am #236695Phee
ParticipantI will never get enough of this scene.
Neal knew, the moment August told him Emma was “the key”, that he was going to lose it all again. But that time, it must have hurt so much more because instead of hanging around and help Emma heal after all the crap she had been through, he would be the one to hurt her. He knew he was going to break her heart, and he spent the next eleven years knowing he had probably become one of her worst memories. That the next time they met (if they ever met again), that the look in her eyes would be exactly like the one she’s giving him while they talk at the beach: one of disappointment, of sorrow, of hurt.
This has to be one of my favorite scenes involving Neal and Emma, because although it is painful to watch (especially when the Tallahassee song starts playing at the end – why would anyone do that for?!?), there is such authenticity and emotion on both parts you can’t help but wonder: what now? They love each other, but… How do you move past the hurt? Neal has never forgiven himself. After S3A we know know that Emma hasn’t forgiven him either, or at least is not ready to let him back in, perhaps not even willing to. Where do you go from there? Can love survive over a decade of sorrow and regret? Can those gaps be filled?
I can’t see why the writers would give us such build-up if their relationship had no future at all. I complain a lot about the writing in OUAT, but at least when it comes to this particular storyline (Swanfire), I can’t help but feel there is so much more in store… And if there isn’t, then I will be hugely disappointed!
January 13, 2014 at 5:07 am #236697PriceofMagic
ParticipantOn the 13th day of January, the SFer’s gave to RG:
13 Bags of Pixie Dust
12 Archery lessons from Robin Hood
11 Loyal Lost Boys
10 Plates of food from Granny’s
9 Objects Ariel “borrowed”
8 Sneaky fairies
7 Dwarves a drinking
6 Anton sized mugs of Hot Chocolate with Cinnamon served by Regina
5 RumBelle kisses
4 Times Neal makes puppy eyes
3 Snowing saying “I will find you”
2 Henry hugs
and Emma kicking Hook in the balls!All magic comes with a price!
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