- This topic has 25,813 replies, 124 voices, and was last updated 6 years, 8 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
I agree RG. Speculation should be fun but not taken as fact because we do not even know what we do not know! (unknown mystery plots).
[adrotate group="5"]“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I agree RG. Speculation should be fun but not taken as fact because we do not even know what we do not know! (unknown mystery plots).
That’s deep that is 🙂
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Deep Thoughts with KFC…that could be an awesome TV show. 😉
I need new pics of MRJ because I’m in serious withdrawal right now. The cute ones posted by him and JMo the other day were really cute but seriously, I need something more than that right now. I’m in the vacation blues and could use some cheering up. Give me something soon spoilery photographer people!!!!!! 🙁
#HopeforSwanFire
#MoreBOOMLessGloomI need new pics of MRJ because I’m in serious withdrawal right now. The cute ones posted by him and JMo the other day were really cute but seriously, I need something more than that right now. I’m in the vacation blues and could use some cheering up. Give me something soon spoilery photographer people!!!!!!
SAME! Would love some pics at this point.
Imma just post this for reasons
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Cute Swan Princess stuff ! Not meaningful as a predictive or sign of intent on the part of the writers, but some creative fans sure do find a way to match things up!
I’ve been thinking about it a bit since having seen the Swan Princess comparison screencaps yesterday, and honestly, I’ve started to wonder if maybe they are actually pulling a little bit of stuff from that story as they write Emma’s story.
I know that Emma Swan is her own original character, she’s not intended to be a character from a story we already know. Swan Princess is one Disney movie they won’t do on this show, simply because they already have a Princess named Swan, so there’s no way they could have another Swan Princess as well.
It’s far from being an exact copy, but there are some similar story elements. In the movie, Odette and Derek are betrothed as a means to unite kingdoms. In the show Emma and Neal are fated, which leads to Henry, which essentially leads to a kingdom being restored when everyone remembered who they were.
In the movie, Odette and Derek are planning to marry, until he says he only loves her for her beauty and she leaves, not believing he truly loves her (which he actually does) and she ends up kidnapped and held prisoner. In the show, Emma and Neal are planning Tallahassee, until he leaves and she believes he doesn’t truly love her (which he actually does) and she ends up being held prisoner.
Odette becomes the victim of a curse that causes her to change form between woman and swan by the moonlight. Emma’s whole crappy lot in life is because of a curse.
After they reunite, Odette’s supposed to go to a ball with Derek where he’ll proclaim his love for her in front of everyone and break her curse. The big bad who put the curse on her in the first place, locks her up and sends someone disguised as her instead. Derek declares his love for the imposter instead, which causes Odette to die. If the guy telling the world he’s in love with an imposter is making you think of Neal being enagaged to Tamara, well, in the Swan Lake ballet, which this movie was based on, the role of that imposter is portrayed as the Black Swan.
Getting back to the movie (which I haven’t actually seen, I’m just getting these plot points from wikipedia, how ever did we survive before wikipedia) Derek seems to be several years older than Odette. In the show, Neal is several years older than Emma. And then there’s that whole bit with Derek giving Odette the pendant with a swan on it, which, blatant much? Judging by some screencaps I saw, I gather that swan pendant is seen again when they’re adults too.
Anyway, basically, I’m not saying that they’re actually copying the storyline of the movie/ballet in such a way as to make Emma = Odette and Neal = Derek, I’m just saying that if they’re not actually gonna do The Swan Princess, maybe they’re pulling a couple of things out of that story to apply them to Emma’s story, just because she is actually a Princess named Swan, so how could they resist.
The Swan Princess parallels are pretty interesting!
It’s been a couple months since I’ve watched a Swanfire video, and it’s amazing to me how every time I see one it SHOCKS me how beautiful their story is. Every single time. I’ve never been in a fandom of a tv show before, and I’ve never been touched by a couples’ story as I am Neal and Emma’s. I think something people don’t understand is the beauty in the pain. Part of the reason it hurt Emma so deeply when Neal left is because she thought she knew he’d never leave. And she was right, essentially. I know that relationships can have all pain and no beauty too, but from experience, those usually come with loads of warning signs we sometimes choose to ignore… internally, and from friends and family.
It’s always confusing when someone leaves. But it’s even more confusing when it was natural and healthy from the start. The amazing thing is we can “feel” all this just by watching someone act. You know? Not only is this just such a brilliant story that I am so grateful to A and E for, but JMo and MRJ have the ability to communicate such emotion, together, through their acting. There’s much more to chemistry than the superficial way it gets labeled now adays. There’s physical chemistry and then there’s the entire package: one that cuts down to the soul and is portrayed organically, instead of contrived from lines.Perfectly stated! And I totally agree! And it’s funny that you mention being grateful to the writers and actors…because as you all may or may not have seen on tumblr , there is something called “Operation Tiger” going on where we are organizing a way to show the creators/actors our appreciation for Swanfire. Here’s a blog for it http://operation-tiger.tumblr.com but it is password protected to keep the plans secret until the reveal so if you want the password send me a pm! 🙂 It would be awesome to get as many SF fans in on it as possible!!
Di
Just sent you a PM, Di. 🙂
It’s been a couple months since I’ve watched a Swanfire video, and it’s amazing to me how every time I see one it SHOCKS me how beautiful their story is. Every single time.
I know right. I’ve probably seen every SF clip arranged in every way possible with all the vids out there, but still, every freaking time I watch a new one, I’m overwhelmed all over again. Their story is so deep and layered, and I can’t wait to see the next chapter!
On the 15th day of January, the SFer’s gave to RG:
15 Sleepovers with Red (That don’t occur during her time of the month)
14 trips to the pub with Tinkerbell
13 Bags of Pixie Dust
12 Archery lessons from Robin Hood
11 Loyal Lost Boys
10 Plates of food from Granny’s
9 Objects Ariel “borrowed”
8 Sneaky fairies
7 Dwarves a drinking
6 Anton sized mugs of Hot Chocolate with Cinnamon served by Regina
5 RumBelle kisses
4 Times Neal makes puppy eyes
3 Snowing saying “I will find you”
2 Henry hugs
and Emma kicking Hook in the balls!All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAnyway, basically, I’m not saying that they’re actually copying the storyline of the movie/ballet in such a way as to make Emma = Odette and Neal = Derek, I’m just saying that if they’re not actually gonna do The Swan Princess, maybe they’re pulling a couple of things out of that story to apply them to Emma’s story, just because she is actually a Princess named Swan, so how could they resist.
I’ve never seen the movie either but wow! That does seem parallel worthy.
On the 15th day of January, the SFer’s gave to RG:
15 Sleepovers with Red (That don’t occur during her time of the month)
14 trips to the pub with Tinkerbell
13 Bags of Pixie Dust
12 Archery lessons from Robin Hood
11 Loyal Lost Boys
10 Plates of food from Granny’s
9 Objects Ariel “borrowed”
8 Sneaky fairies
7 Dwarves a drinking
6 Anton sized mugs of Hot Chocolate with Cinnamon served by Regina
5 RumBelle kisses
4 Times Neal makes puppy eyes
3 Snowing saying “I will find you”
2 Henry hugs
and Emma kicking Hook in the balls!HAHAHAHAHAHA
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
The topic ‘Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire’ is closed to new replies.