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"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I could go on and post a frillion more photos just like those, but I’m just saying, the swan nuzzle is an actual thing. (Also an actual thing: swans tend to mate for life, the exception being if one of the pair dies, and they had a chance to kill off Neal but he’s still living.)
SWAN NUZZLING!!!!! <3
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Awwww.
I want to see more Emma/Neal flashbacks like Tallahassee.
And of course the next part of Neal and August’s conversation, and what happens once Emma got out of jail
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
This is part of a GIFset about Snow supporting Emma’s happiness. SOURCE
I want to talk about Snow’s character and how it relates to her reactions to Neal in relation to Emma.
Some people think Snow is just this unrealistic fairytale princess and in some ways, sure that’s how she grew up until her father married Regina. Then she faced a series of challenges that unrealistic as they are to ordinary people, toughened her, but did not destroy her faith that doing the right thing, choosing to hope rather than hate, would eventually bring her happiness. She did not instantly have that attitude. There were moments when she felt doubt or despair or longed to feel nothing at all.
She doubted herself when Regina challenged her for the kingdom. She felt despair when George threatened her to leave Charming. She longed to feel nothing when she went to Rumple and took a potion to forget him.
As MM, she didn’t have Eva’s legacy in her mind. She didn’t feel the pressure of conforming to an ideal of being a noble princess. She still was mainly a good person who didn’t want to hurt Katherine just because (she thought) she and Katherine both loved David. She still expected David to break up with Katherine properly, tell her what it was about. I don’t know if Katherine would have been happier with the truth than the “pack of lies about not connecting” but it would at least have been the truth about his feelings. MM being of modern society didn’t have the idea that a marriage is forever but only as long as the parties both want it. She still had the idea that when two people love each other, they can find a way to be together. She was just expressing the counter-idea about Katherine and David–when they don’t love each other, they don’t have to stay together.
Snow has never once said to Emma anything like “Neal’s your true love because he was your first love!” She has not said she has to be with Neal because that’s better for Henry. Snow saw Emma have feelings for Graham. She saw the banter with August. She’s not blind to Hook’s pursuit of Emma or Emma’s confused responses. Yet she knows love when she sees it.
So did Katherine. That’s one of the things that “fairytale” mentality has over cynical real world thinking. Katherine saw Snow look at David, and realized she wanted that for herself. That was her fairytale self peeping through the curse, because actually, she had a true love of her own but had been cursed and forgotten him. According to the writers, they’re together in SB still.
Snow has been written as recognizing love in others for others as she did with Ariel. If the writers say “well Snow’s just selfish and clueless, and projecting her own feelings onto Emma, without realizing that Neal is not Charming…” it shows no growth from little Snow who did do that when thinking about Cora and Regina. Cora however was abnormal and that was the point. Most people have a heart to temper their ambition, and Cora very much wanted not just material power gained through Regina, but also revenge against Eva through Snow. That was not a normal situation basically.
Neal’s not a “mini-dark-one” or a coward, which Snow recognizes. She’s fought side by side with him now (or Charming or Emma have) and she knows he doesn’t approve of Rumple’s dark nature. She knows that even though he was angry at Rumple, that he risked his life to save him, plus ensure that someone like Cora wouldn’t get the dagger. He’s tried to be a father to Henry even when he wanted to marry another woman–and at that time Emma was still insisting she didn’t want him romantically either. Snow saw all of the choices he made and that doesn’t just vanish if she finds out some new, less positive information.
Yet that history between Neal and Emma ought to also include WHY he left her, how he and she met (she stole a stolen car), ( how she convinced him to let her steal the watches to help him get away with stealing the watches!) I don’t expect to see the whole thing on screen but presumably, Snow and Charming would be talking to Neal and he’d say that without her memories, he’s not so sure Emma would want to see him. That’s what Neal felt right when August rode into SB, and it was accurate.
That’s true, Emma felt that way when she had only real world explanations to account for his behavior. Snow on the other hand will hear the story in the context of knowing about the curse, knowing her own sacrifices, both with Emma and with leaving Charming. She knows August too, and while she doesn’t know all the bad things he did either, ultimately, Snow’s been forgiving of people who do harmful things. She’s had that attitude with so many characters like Red, Anton, Graham and partly, it was her experience as a thief that maybe gave her compassion for others making a wrong choice in bad circumstances but being able to get themselves back on a better path. Similar to Emma, really. I don’t see why Snow (or Emma) should be so harsh on Neal alone out of everyone they’ve ever met, to the point they refuse to consider what he knew or could have known, and his intentions but do that with so many other characters.
They wouldn’t. They wouldn’t with Hook either, but its besides the point. I’m not upset that they’re making ground on forgiving and getting along with Hook and Regina now–that’s character development. NL changed things for everyone and a large part of it was that they were placed in a circumstance of having no choice but to trust each other (well that or die…) and Regina and Hook didn’t stab them in the back. That meant a LOT–but having lower expectations for some people doesn’t mean you aren’t impressed by someone you expect to do the right thing following through and you know, doing it.
They may not know everything Neal went through to get to them in NL. Maybe they think he dropped through the portal. Maybe he’s told them the whole story by now. Even if not, they saw him come out of that cage and risk his life to help get them all to safety and save Henry. He stood up to his father, he rowed that boat out to challenge Pan. He wasn’t cowering in fear or running. Sometimes in a story, the spotlight will be on one character or another and they save the day, while the others wait. It doesn’t make David or Neal cowardly that Hook threw himself at the shadow. It doesn’t make Hook or David cowardly that they didn’t go to Skull rock and face down Pan, or have the pull to get in Rumple’s face to challenge his motives. The story has to rotate who is acting bravely at various points.
So for the characters in the story, they see these good sides of Neal and as the audience we see very little evidence of selfish motivations from Neal in the “use and abuse” or self-preservation sense. We do see him acting out of self-doubt, out of pride or at times, hurt and anger against Rumple. Yet he’s been very much a good guy that Snow would have seen him around Emma, and even knowing he once made some mistakes, I don’t think it takes away the positive knowledge and experiences she has had with him.
More importantly than that though is this concept that Snow knows Emma never stopped loving him. Despite whatever horrible thing Neal had done in the past that made her the type of person who arrived in SB with huge emotional walls, who denied she had any feelings for him at all, that love was there. Plus Snow (unlike some fans) knows some of emotional walls were the result of all those years of bad foster homes, not just what Neal did. Snow knows she’s to “blame” in the sense she wasn’t there for Emma as a mother. She might be unsure of how to make up for it, or even doubt whether she really can, but I don’t think her interest in Emma being happy is out of guilt.
She LOVES Emma, and we’ve seen Snow willing to die for Emma. Her behavior in NL might have made it seem like Snow was shrugging her shoulders and saying “Oh well, let’s replace her” but it wasn’t that at all. Emma told Snow she was “too late” and Snow still feels its her job to change that feeling, but at the same time, she can’t just jump in and be “mom” with Emma. All she can do is give her love and support, and when she thought it was either Charming or Emma–she made the opposite choice she would have when Emma was a baby. She was going to go with Emma in the cabinet pregnant and alone (and I think would have gone with Emma after the birth if she’d known about Gepetto’s lie). She did that because Emma wasn’t a baby.
It’s not an easy line to support without controlling, and that’s how parenting changes when dealing with adult children. My parents struggle with it with me, and one day I’ll struggle with my kids I’m sure. Snow and David are trying to get it right, but I think they’ve done well in terms of not laying down the law to Emma. They want her to make HER choices, but because they love her, they want to share their wisdom because they do have some, especially about love, hope and forgiveness. They have it because they lived it, not because its some pie-in-the-sky idea for them but their own experiences in a not-so-Disney-perfect fairytale that they’ve lived.So “TLDR” Snow is intuitive about love, wants to help and isn’t trying to tell Emma who to love, but just expressing a positive opinion about Neal based on positive experiences with him. Whatever his past, Snow’s forgiven others with complicated or bad choices, so he’d be no different so long as he is NOW motivated to be good to Emma (and he is). If Emma has more anger and reasons to hate Neal than she’s revealed to Snow, then these are things not revealed to the audience either. What we saw on screen painted Neal in much the same light as other basically good characters forced to make sacrifices or tough choices that had some bad effects on others.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Some people think Snow is just this unrealistic fairytale princess and in some ways, sure that’s how she grew up until her father married Regina.
Yeah I’ve seen a few thoughts posted here and there about how Snowing (and Snow specifically) don’t understand Emma and “what Emma needs” because Snow and Charming have never loved anyone but each other. So they can’t understand that first love isn’t always true love. But I think that’s unfair and takes away from Snow and Charming all the hardships they went through in the first place.
Snow has never once said to Emma anything like “Neal’s your true love because he was your first love!” She has not said she has to be with Neal because that’s better for Henry. Snow saw Emma have feelings for Graham. She saw the banter with August. She’s not blind to Hook’s pursuit of Emma or Emma’s confused responses. Yet she knows love when she sees it. So did Katherine. That’s one of the things that “fairytale” mentality has over cynical real world thinking. Katherine saw Snow look at David, and realized she wanted that for herself. That was her fairytale self peeping through the curse, because actually, she had a true love of her own but had been cursed and forgotten him. According to the writers, they’re together in SB still.
That’s a really great way to put it. Snow could tell that Emma was putting walls up around Graham and she could HEAR the walls being put up while Emma was in NYC in Manhattan. Both situations are similar, 1) Emma was beginning to feel something for Graham and 2) Emma has always felt something for Neal. Snow isn’t pushing for SwanFire, she’s pushing for Emma to follow what she loves.
Neal’s not a “mini-dark-one” or a coward, which Snow recognizes.
YES.
I don’t expect to see the whole thing on screen but presumably, Snow and Charming would be talking to Neal and he’d say that without her memories, he’s not so sure Emma would want to see him. That’s what Neal felt right when August rode into SB, and it was accurate.
Am I the only one that thinks Snowing already know about Neal and jail?
I don’t see why Snow (or Emma) should be so harsh on Neal alone out of everyone they’ve ever met, to the point they refuse to consider what he knew or could have known, and his intentions but do that with so many other characters.
Out of everyone, I think Snowing would understand Neal and what he did. They did the exact same thing to Emma. They were forced into giving her up, for her best chance.
So “TLDR” Snow is intuitive about love, wants to help and isn’t trying to tell Emma who to love, but just expressing a positive opinion about Neal based on positive experiences with him. Whatever his past, Snow’s forgiven others with complicated or bad choices, so he’d be no different so long as he is NOW motivated to be good to Emma (and he is)
Yup
That was really well written, KFC.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@KFChimera – Bravo for that post!
Am I the only one that thinks Snowing already know about Neal and jail?
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Emma confided in Snow off-screen with the truth about Neal leaving her. Snow and Emma were together a few days between Emma returning from Manhattan and going to NL. Snow already seems to be aware of the truth.
More SF goodness!
I’m not a victim of clichés
I don’t believe in soul mates
Happy endings only one
Oh and I met you and all that changed
I had a taste and you’re still sitting on the tip of my tongueThe one that got away- Pink
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
On the 19th day of January, the SFer’s gave to RG:
19 Girl’s nights with Belle and Snow
18 Special SwanFire moments
17 Glasses of Regina’s homemade apple cider
16 Bouquets of flowers hand delivered by Rumple wearing whatever you want him in
15 Sleepovers with Red (That don’t occur during her time of the month)
14 Trips to the pub with Tinkerbell
13 Bags of Pixie Dust
12 Archery lessons from Robin Hood
11 Loyal Lost Boys
10 Plates of food from Granny’s
9 Objects Ariel “borrowed”
8 Sneaky fairies
7 Dwarves a drinking
6 Anton sized mugs of Hot Chocolate with Cinnamon served by Regina
5 RumBelle kisses
4 Times Neal makes puppy eyes
3 Snowing saying “I will find you”
2 Henry hugs
and Emma kicking Hook in the balls!All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixTo me, it’s evident why Snow White identifies with Neal. Both of them have let Emma go in order for her to save her people by fulfilling her destiny.
As KFChimera wrote, there are also parallels between Snow/Charming/Abigail and Emma/Neal/Tamara. Here is a GIF set which shows that familiar fake-fiancé TV trope.
like mother, like daughter
Source: Tumblr
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
19 Girl’s nights with Belle and Snow
we can brain each others hair and drink Sangria!
As KFChimera wrote, there are also parallels between Snow/Charming/Abigail and Emma/Neal/Tamara. Here is a GIF set which shows that familiar fake-fiancé TV trope.
Yuuuuuuuuup. There are quite a lot of parallels, aren’t there.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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