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In the chat, I was reflecting what it means to be a true hero. Here is what I wrote. A true hero is willing to die for the sake of others. Charming was willing to die fighting to protect baby Emma to put her in the wardrobe. Snow willingly ate a poisoned apple in an attempt to save Charming and her friends. Ruth died so that Snow would be able to have a baby one day. Neal was willing to die so that Henry wouldn’t have to grow up alone. Regina was willing to die to protect Henry from the fail-safe, and Emma joined her. Rumple sacrificed himself to protect Neal/Belle. All of these examples are self-sacrificial in which the person making the sacrifice doesn’t expect to live but is willing to do it to protect the people he or she loves. I think Hook making this sort of self-sacrifice would complete his S3 motto, “Believe a pirate can be a hero.” As I’ve said previously, in 3×11, both Regina and Rumple scarified this own happiness for the sake of giving their sons, Henry and Neal, respectively, a chance at happiness, even though that meant not being with them. While we’ve seen Hook come close to doing a truly noble deed, like putting his own life in jeopardy, he’s yet to do it entirely for the sake of others, because he always expects to gain something by it. A truly final heroic act in which he willingly sacrifices himself to give his son-figure, Baelfire, and Emma, whom he claims to feel something for, another chance at happiness would be very heroic.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
In the chat, I was reflecting what it means to be a true hero. Here is what I wrote. A true hero is willing to die for the sake of others. Charming was willing to die fighting to protect baby Emma to put her in the wardrobe. Snow willingly ate a poisoned apple in an attempt to save Charming and her friends. Ruth died so that Snow would be able to have a baby one day. Neal was willing to die so that Henry wouldn’t have to grow up alone. Regina was willing to die to protect Henry from the fail-safe, and Emma joined her. Rumple sacrificed himself to protect Neal/Belle. All of these examples are self-sacrificial in which the person making the sacrifice doesn’t expect to live but is willing to do it to protect the people he or she loves. I think Hook making this sort of self-sacrifice would complete his S3 motto, “Believe a pirate can be a hero.” As I’ve said previously, in 3×11, both Regina and Rumple scarified this own happiness for the sake of giving their sons, Henry and Neal, respectively, a chance at happiness, even though that meant not being with them. While we’ve seen Hook come close to doing a truly noble deed, like putting his own life in jeopardy, he’s yet to do it entirely for the sake of others, because he always expects to gain something by it. A truly final heroic act in which he willingly sacrifices himself to give his son-figure, Baelfire, and Emma, whom he claims to feel something for, another chance at happiness would be very heroic.
I have to agree with you Slurpeez that would redeem Hooks Character in everyone’s eyes and that is what is making me think that it will be Hook that is the major character death.
Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking StickRe: hero talk3x11 was big in terms of villains moving down redemption road. Rumple sacrificed his life; Regina sacrificed the thing she loves most. But Hook didn’t do much in terms of grand gestures, which is what defines heroes in Fairy Tales, for the most part. He did take everyone to NL and somewhat assisted in the rescuing of Henry. But as he tells Charming n 305, “I didn’t do it for you, mate.” He’s too much like Regina of S2 where he’s doing “good things” for the sake of someone’s love and not for the sake of doing good things. He expects something in return for all these deeds. That’s not heroism. That’s personal investment.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Re: hero talk3x11 was big in terms of villains moving down redemption road. Rumple sacrificed his life; Regina sacrificed the thing she loves most. But Hook didn’t do much in terms of grand gestures, which is what defines heroes in Fairy Tales, for the most part. He did take everyone to NL and somewhat assisted in the rescuing of Henry. But as he tells Charming n 305, “I didn’t do it for you, mate.” He’s too much like Regina of S2 where he’s doing “good things” for the sake of someone’s love and not for the sake of doing good things. He expects something in return for all these deeds. That’s not heroism. That’s personal investment.
RG I agree everything Hook has done so far this season is because he wants Emma. I think Hook knows deep down that Emma doesn’t feel the same way for him and that she really does love Neal just as much as she loves their son Henry. What did David say to Hook in 305 “Let me give a bit of advice Hook She’s never going to like you” “How so ?” “How could she you’re nothing but a pirate”
Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking StickRG I agree everything Hook has done so far this season is because he wants Emma. I think Hook knows deep down that Emma doesn’t feel the same way for him and that she really does love Neal just as much as she loves their son Henry. What did David say to Hook in 305 “Let me give a bit of advice Hook She’s never going to like you” “How so ?” “How could she you’re nothing but a pirate”
I think Hook earnestly would like to be more than a pirate; he wants to be a hero and to reclaim the “good form” he lost, but he’s not really sure how to do that. He was honest to tell David and Snow that Neal was still alive, which was the honorable thing to do, and Hook overheard Neal telling Emma he’d never stop fighting for her. At that point, Hook should’ve honored Baelfire, his so-called son figure, by stepping back from Emma to let her have the space she needed to focus on Henry. Also, Hook knew at that point that Emma loves Neal, as Peter Pan was quick to point out in 3×5. I think deep down, Hook knows full well that Emma and Neal love each other, and that winning Emma would be a long shot.
Yet by 3×7, Hook went against the “bro code” to pursue a woman whom he knows is Neal’s great love. How Hook could even justify going after Emma, the mother of Neal’s child, is an anathema to me, considering Neal is his so-called “good friend” and his son figure, whose mother Hook ran off with and whom Hook then handed him over to murderous Lost Boys. Hook owes Neal, big time, and yet he’s continuing to act dishonorably by vying for the woman whom Neal loves, knowing full well that Emma still loves Neal, not him. It’s bizarre to me, and even if I did’t ship Emma with Neal, I just couldn’t support Hook’s rationale. Hook still operates with the principle that if he wants something, he must therefore get it, which is very self-centered. That is what he did with Milha, even though she was Rumple’s wife. Even when it seemed like Hook was stepping back from Emma in 3×10, he really wasn’t, because he was just hypocritically jeering that Neal had left Emma and would fail miserably. Yet, Hook doesn’t admit that he himself has left Emma twice to die, which is way worse in my book than leaving Emma in a minimum security juvenile correction facility for 11 months.
To me, Hook has an obsessive personality that boarders on unhealthy; he was obsessed with avenging Milha for centuries, which makes Regina’s revenge against Snow White look like child’s play. And suddenly, when his revenge streak was complete (out of the blue), he fixated on the first woman who reminded him somewhat of Milha’s adventurous spirit, and Emma just happens to be the biological mother of Milha’s grandchild. It’s just bizzare. The real caveat, however, is that Emma is not anything like Milha, because she would never abandon Henry the way that Milha abandoned Baelfire, and deep down, Hook knows it. Peter Pan even taunted him with the idea of letting Hook and Emma leave Neverland while leaving Henry behind, but Hook didn’t take the offer, not because he didn’t want to, but because he knew Emma would never stand for it. Emma is in a completely different league than Milha, and therefore I believe, out of Hook’s league, and I think he knows it. Hook had no difficulty in getting Milha to agree to his favored lifestyle on the the high seas, but she was the sort of woman to run out on her child because she craved adventure, Hook, and his idea of a happy ending (his true love is the sea). Neal withstanding, I think that Hook an Emma would be wholly incompatible in the long run for these very important factors alone. If two people aren’t agreed on what they want out of life, they’ll never be happy together in the long run. Hook may think he’s in it for the long haul, but I don’t think he’s considered what that means for his own happiness. Would Hook really be happy wearing J. Crew sweaters and living a “normal life” in Storybrooke or NYC as I’m pretty sure Emma would want? Let’s just say I have real doubts. His idea of a “happy ending” is the life he had with Milha, a woman who had no scruples about leaving her son behind to sail the seven seas with her sea-fearing, swashbuckling lover.
Emma and Neal, by contrast, are two lost children who were always searching for a home and family, which they found in each other. They may not have had the means to get a place, but their yellow bug was their home, and they soon realized they wanted to settle down and “get a real place” of their own. Their dreams were, and still are, pretty simple: to have a home-life and family. Deep down, Emma still wants to find Tallahassee with Neal, otherwise she wouldn’t have confessed to Neal how much it hurt that he’d supposedly fond Tallahassee with Tamara in 2×21. Emma still dreams of home, as evidenced by the way she said it in 3×4 the way she did in 2×6 when Neal and her had that dream.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
If it is Hook, here is how I can see it going down:They’re in some sort of danger, and if it’s not a jump-in-front-of-a-bullet sort of thing (which I doubt), during the battle they will need someone to go on a mission of no return. Hook will volunteer, and so will Neal, but Hook will say something like, “I traded your life for mine when you were a boy…” or something to allude to the fact that he traded Neal to Pan… everyone will say, “No, Hook, you can’t, you’ll dieeee!!!” “I’ve lived ____hundred years. To die will be an adventure.” (They may choose to use the exact quote, they may choose to tweak it a bit)…
And then he’ll run off in the battle and we’ll see him save everyone but give his life in the process. I don’t care what anyone says, I don’t want Hook to die. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for CSers to believe. But if anything, it just makes sense. And to give him that honor that he’s desperately wanted his entire longggg long life, well, I’d probably cry my eyes out for days after that ep. It’s the epitome of what this show is all about.“Greater love has no one than this; to lay one’s life down for one’s friends.”
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all of those who think that Hook should do something heroic…. I am not sure I like that. he has been pretty horrible throughout the story:
1)ripping Bae’s mom away from him (even though I’m sure SHE was the guilty one here, he KNEW she had a son so why didn’t he al least convince her that she should visit sometime. it’s not like Rumpel was the dark one then it’s not like there would have been any danger AT ALL! until Bae turned 14 and was going to be taken to his death.
2) he bullied everyone (Rumpel pretended to be a nobody when bumping into Hook and before Hook realized he crossed paths with the Dark One himself, he was very cruel to him and bullied him
3)he hurt Belle multiple times. he would have thought nothing of killing her if Regina didn’t stop him
4) he sided with Cora, who would have killed Snow/Emma/Mulan/Arora and ripped Arora’s heart,
the list can go on and on, and all of this was to get revenge and kill Rumpel. so to suddenly have him become the saint… I just don’t know… there’s still so much he needs to apologize for!
the only way it can maybe happen that he does give his life for anyone is if they give him first a lot of screen time to talk about his regret and maybe have him learn something from Rumpel’s example.
maybe now, that he isn’t blinded by Milah and revenge, he can think with his head on straight and realize that it’s always been Rumpel who truly loved Bae, not Milah. he’d realize that it’s always been Rumpel who was the brave one, who sacrificed EVERYTHING – even his good name (became the village coward)- for his son, (not to mention his dignity – [he didn’t duel with hook so that Bae would at least have a father if not a mother]- and his soul – [he became the Dark One], and then his life) and that it was really Milah and himself who were the cowards.
[spoiler] if Hook doesn’t understand this and admit to it, I don’t see him as a hero no matter what. a true hero takes a step back and acknowledges his mistakes and admits that his former enemies are better than him.
the only way it can maybe happen that he does give his life for anyone is if they give him first a lot of screen time to talk about his regret and maybe have him learn something from Rumpel’s example.
I agree, if he’s going out, he’s going out with a heart wrenching monologue. I for one acknowledge all the terrible things he did, as I am sure every SF on here does as well. Even through the maybe-redemption and then the failures he had in the S3A arc, I think, esp w/Charming telling him he’ll be nothing but a pirate, and Regina saying the thing to him about happy endings,even in the acting (sorry, run on) it shows me there’s been contemplation.
He said in 301, “Have we wasted our lives?”
I think his change from Navy Killian to Pirate Killian, and all the wrongs he’s done, makes him a candidate for wanting to do something good for once in his life, to be remembered for greatness. At the end of the day, it doesn’t erase all of the bad things, but for me, it shows how much he has gained from being with our crew and how much they reminded him of the man he used to be. It’s not too unlike Rumple’s story. The hurt and the callousness makes us monsters, but when something reminds us of who we once were, and makes us regret all the wrongdoing, we have the opportunity to do something great.Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
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