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January 22, 2014 at 6:58 am #239426
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[adrotate group="5"]January 22, 2014 at 7:04 am #239427Slurpeez
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Yet another reason why Neal will survive assuming Rumple survives (which he will) is that Rumple said Neal is his happy ending. Adam and Eddy wouldn’t make Rumple sacrifice himself to save his son and Belle just to kill either of them off now. In my estimation, that leaves Hook as the candidate most likely to take his last bow in a stylish, heroic fashion.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
January 22, 2014 at 7:28 am #239429sweetgrass
Participant[quote=238983]To any CSers reading our thread can I ask a very honest question: is this how you wanted your OTP to get their happy ending? ON the death of another? Honest question. I have never once been in favor of Hook dying in order for SF to happen and I can’t believe you guys would want Neal to die–henry’s father!!!–in order for CS to happen[/quote]
Because you asked, I don’t nor do I know of any CSers that want Neal to die so that CS can happen. Â I think most CSers feel pretty confident in CS happening and don’t really see Neal as an obstacle. Â I would prefer that Neal not die and that he gets his happy ending with someone other than Emma. Â I feel like Neal has had a hard ,I’ve and deserves happiness. Â I just don’t see it with Emma.
What I find bothersome is how many SF ers want Hook to die or sail off into the sunset never to be seen again, even before this spoiler made its debut.  The whole Hook should die like Syndey Carleton has been on this forum for awhile (at least Six months when I started lurking), as well as this idea that Hook happy ending lies in sailing the sea  and not with finding true love.  That bothers me a lot because Hook had his true love brutally taken from him and has always been portrayed as a sentimental romantic, so I can’t see him having a happy ending without true love.  It won’t be fair that Rumple can kill someone’s truelove but Rumple gets to have true love.  I also don’t think that Hook has to die to redeem himself.  He is no where in the same league as Rumple or Regina on evil deeds –both of whom are both on course to find their happy endings  with their true loves, so why should Hook have to make the ultimate sacrifice when none of the others had too. I actually find Hook’s story more tragic than Rumple’s.
Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
January 22, 2014 at 7:31 am #239430sweetgrass
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Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
January 22, 2014 at 7:37 am #239431Lauren
ParticipantI told my friend about the list today who goin to die shes just a normal vviewer who finds hook funny and she said charming straight away to die and then went oh maybe hook cos neverland is over now there wot won’t be much for him to do except chase after emma… she never even considered neal and when I mentioned it she went but didnt they just save him they wont kill him after all that surely… #hopeforswanfire
January 22, 2014 at 7:54 am #239432Slurpeez
Participantsweetgrass wrote:  What I find bothersome is how many SF ers want Hook to die or sail off into the sunset never to be seen again, even before this spoiler made its debut.  The whole Hook should die like Syndey Carleton has been on this forum for awhile (at least Six months when I started lurking), as well as this idea that Hook happy ending lies in sailing the sea  and not with finding true love.  That bothers me a lot because Hook had his true love brutally taken from him and has always been portrayed as a sentimental romantic, so I can’t see him having a happy ending without true love.  It won’t be fair that Rumple can kill someone’s truelove but Rumple gets to have true love.  I also don’t think that Hook has to die to redeem himself.  He is no where in the same league as Rumple or Regina on evil deeds –both of whom are both on course to find their happy endings  with their true loves, so why should Hook have to make the ultimate sacrifice when none of the others had too. I actually find Hook’s story more tragic than Rumple’s.
I admire your bravery in posting here, and I promise we’ll be nice. 🙂 As for your feelings on the subject, I’m sorry, but you’re probably bound to read things you disagree with or dislike if you read this thread. For the record, I don’t want Hook to die;  he seems a nice enough chap, even if he’s still a bit of a cad. I’d rather Hook and Tinkerbell be an item, as would seem natural and befitting, given their history and the fact that the NL story is done. But of the possible candidates, I think he is the likeliest to die for a variety of reasons I’ve already written in this thread. Yes, I’ve long thought that Hook might’ve been written from the start as a Sydney Carton-type of hero, but that doesn’t mean I desire that outcome. It’s simply a matter of interpretation based on foreshadowing. It was announced a series regular was leaving exactly a year to the day Emma said to Hook, “If I had to pick dead guy of the year, I’d pick you.” I don’t think it’s coincidental.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
January 22, 2014 at 8:19 am #239435Phee
Participantsweetgrass, I daresay you’d be hard pressed to find many SFers who would love to see Hook dead. We wouldn’t want our ship to happen that way any more than CSers would if Neal were to die. One of the guys dying is NOT a satisfying way for the situation to be resolved for either side. Like I said in my post on the previous page, I certainly don’t WANT him to die, but given what we know, I can speculate that I think his death might be something they’ve been working towards.
I can appreciate why CSers wouldn’t entertain the Sydney Carton-esque potential storyline, because CSers don’t consider CS to be a one sided, unrequited love relationship, which is how many non-CSers (not all of them SFers) interpret the interactions we’ve seen between them. Judging by the way I interpret it as being unrequited love, with Hook having had an emotional attachment to the other guy, I can very easily see how they might go the Sydney Carton route, having Hook give his life for his “old friend”. I’d appreciate it in the sense that we’d finally get some CaptainFire development, which has been sorely lacking.
As for SFers wanting him to sail off into the sunset without a true love…those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s perfectly possible for him to have both true love and the freedom to keep sailing the seas. That’s the life he lived with Milah, and it’s the life he could have again, which I feel would make him happiest. I don’t think, judging by what we’ve seen of him, that his version of “happy ending” would involve being landlocked. It’s a big reason why I crackshipped Hookriel, because she’s traditionally got the wanderlust, and she obviously loves the sea. It’s similar to why I can see potential for TinkerHook, because Tink is a feisty one who’d be up for adventures, and we also know she’s one for breaking the rules and doing what she wants, which was a trait that Milah had, so it’s something that would likely appeal to Hook. Emma’s big happy ending dream is a quiet, stable home. So I just don’t think they’re compatible in that sense. That doesn’t mean that he can’t find someone else who would love to sail around with him forever and ever and they could be blissfully happy together. That’s the ending I’d prefer to see for him.
The situation we have now with this spoiler is we have a very short list of candidates and the majority of the fandom figures it’s down to one of these two guys, with Belle running a distant 3rd, and the rest almost guaranteed as being safe. Having considered storyline potential for all the options we have, Hook makes the most sense to me, he seems the best fit, I can see how they could write the death of that particular character as being a realistic progression of his past and current storyline as I’ve interpreted it. That doesn’t mean that him dying is my PREFERRED option for his storyline, I certainly won’t be cheering if it happens, but it is what it is, and if SOMEONE is DEFINITELY dying, he just seems like the most likely candidate to me, all things considered.
January 22, 2014 at 8:19 am #239436RumplesGirl
KeymasterPhee I loved your post!
POM: yeah, I don’t know. Moving forever and renting are different and I don’t think we know for sure.
Slurpeez: love all things!
I agree that if it’s story based then the death is Hook, but I can also see A and E being like “we need to finish CSF and we’ve decided to go CS even though it wasn’t what we wanted originally” and because that is part of the overall story, it’s technically story based. So I’m not really ready to trust Adam on this
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"January 22, 2014 at 8:43 am #239445RumplesGirl
KeymasterI basically missed half this page
@Sweetgrass: thanks for answering. I regret asking the question now but when I did the spoiler had *just* come out and it was a really hard one to take and I was a little upset. I don’t want Hook to die. At all. I’ve never bought the “Tale of Two Cities” parallel, though I see why others do. But I also sorta think that Hook’s one TL is the sea, it’s his constant. So him sailing off for me IMO isn’t an unhappy ending.Again, thank you for answering and maybe we should just retreat back to our corners. I am sorry that I asked the question in the first place.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"January 22, 2014 at 8:45 am #239446RumplesGirl
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