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Please stop saying that Hook should be a hero. He shouldn’t. He isn’t one. He hasn’t been one for centuries.
I was so hoping to find out that the deals he made with pan involved alot of ruining Gold’s life, killi.g lost boys who weren’t obedient enough (rufio) and just being a badass. I’d hate to see a man who’s entire purpouse in life was revenge suddenly become heroic.
It undermines everything…
I mean look at Regina she only spent a few years seeking revenge and look where it got her. She was redeemed because of her love for Henry, but Hook was never redeemed because his love for Bae. Or because of his love for Emma. Because neither Bae nor Emma cared very much that he was looking to kill Rumpelstiltskin. On the other hand Henry cared very much about Regina not killing Snow. So She had an oppertunity to become redeemed.
Hook was never challanged not to kill Gold untill Gold himself asked him ‘are you done trying to kill me?” And he said yes. Till then it was a constant croc from the original PP story. Remember that crocodile? The one that followed hook everywhere because he liked the taste of his hand so much and wanted to eat more of Hook?
[adrotate group="5"]Please stop saying that Hook should be a hero. He shouldn’t. He isn’t one. He hasn’t been one for centuries.
The same could be said for Rumple, but then he went and did something heroic by sacrificing himself to protect everyone else. No one (except Pan) has been more diabolical than Rumple, but he was still able to have a heroic, redemptive moment, so IMO there’s no reason that Hook shouldn’t have a chance at that as well. It doesn’t excuse their past actions, it proves that they’ve changed enough to be able to accept responsibility for them.
Please stop saying that Hook should be a hero. He shouldn’t. He isn’t one. He hasn’t been one for centuries.
The same could be said for Rumple, but then he went and did something heroic by sacrificing himself to protect everyone else. No one (except Pan) has been more diabolical than Rumple, but he was still able to have a heroic, redemptive moment, so IMO there’s no reason that Hook shouldn’t have a chance at that as well. It doesn’t excuse their past actions, it proves that they’ve changed enough to be able to accept responsibility for them.
oh no no no that is COMPLETELY not true. in fact, if you put all villains next to each other and compare you will see that while everyone became a villain because of revenge or bitterness over being helpless, you will see how Rumpel is GOLD compared to all the other villains (pun intended)
he is the only villain who did everything he did because he loved someone. NOT because he saught revenge. his life long purpouse was not revenge, but making sure that the person he lovedwould have a chance at happiness and that he would know that he’s sorry for abandoning him for making the wrong split-second choice that cost him centuries of pain and hard work
I just really don’t like the idea of moving a character who was written into the show to represent the crocodile from the original Peter Pan who kept following hook (it was very clever to make HOOK be the one following the crocodile) this two dimensional character to suddenly become heroic?
I’d much rather see him married to Emma. Let him marry Emma and stay a badassthe ONLY way he could possibly be redeemed is to save Rumpel’s life, which he can’t anymore because Rumpel is dead
Please stop saying that Hook should be a hero. He shouldn’t. He isn’t one. He hasn’t been one for centuries.
I think everyone is capable of being a hero. That’s part of fairy tales—the move to heroism.
I think Hook is more than capable of being hero, once he figures out what that means–sacrifice. Heroes sacrifice things not for themselves but for the sheer act of heroism.
That’s why I’m not sold on Hook the Hero YET. He hasn’t sacrificed anything without expecting anything in return. Yes, he gave up his 300 years of revenge but it was to get someone’s love. That’s not heroism, that’s still putting yourself first.
Regina became a heroine by giving up Henry. Rumple became a hero by giving up his life. They did these things without expecting anything in return. Regina and Rumple had no other motivation other than the act of heroism.
That’s what is different from Rumple/Regina vs Hook in S3A. But that doesn’t mean Hook won’t figure out what true heroism is. I think he is more than capable of it. But unlike Regina and Rumple, he’s just now getting clued in. The other two have had a little bit longer without their thirst for revenge and mayhem.
the ONLY way he could possibly be redeemed is to save Rumpel’s life, which he can’t anymore because Rumpel is dead
I really don’t believe that. Saving Bae’s life would be a huge act of heroism as well. I don’t think Hook owes Rumple anything because their history is fraught with “who hurt each other worse.” Yes Milah ran off with Hook, but Rumple *killed* her and while I understand WHY he did it, it doesn’t make it ok that he committed murder.
Hook can be a hero once he figures out what is supposed to motivate a hero–selflessness.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I really don’t believe that. Saving Bae’s life would be a huge act of heroism as well. I don’t think Hook owes Rumple anything because their history is fraught with “who hurt each other worse.” Yes Milah ran off with Hook, but Rumple *killed* her and while I understand WHY he did it, it doesn’t make it ok that he committed murder. Hook can be a hero once he figures out what is supposed to motivate a hero–selflessness.
I agree that if Rumple and Regina can be redeemed than so can Hook; he just first has to be willing to put someone else first without expecting to gain anything. I just had a thought. What if Hook sacrifices himself for Henry? They were filming together last night and today there is to supposed to be some sort of stunt, so it’s possible. Plus, from a story-driven perspective, Hook sacrificing himself for Henry would be a way to honor his son figure, Neal, and the woman Hook loves, Emma. It would be heroic because for once since becoming a pirate, Hook would do something for the sake of someone else without expecting anything in return. It would be a heroic end.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I really don’t believe that. Saving Bae’s life would be a huge act of heroism as well. I don’t think Hook owes Rumple anything because their history is fraught with “who hurt each other worse.” Yes Milah ran off with Hook, but Rumple *killed* her and while I understand WHY he did it, it doesn’t make it ok that he committed murder.
Hook can be a hero once he figures out what is supposed to motivate a hero–selflessness.
I DO believe that. Regina saved Snow ‘s life countless times by now. and EVERYTHING Regina did up until her redemption was to seek revenge on Snow so Regina is fully redeemed.
so yes, I still believe that admitting that he and Milah were the cowards, and that Rumpelstiltskin was the honorable one who sacrificed everything for his little boy all those years ago would be a good first step to redemption, and full redemption would have to involve saving his life, which can’t really happen anymore.
which is why he should remain the bad guy
you know what would be so interesting? what if he saw Milah long before Rumpel was called to the ogre wars, and he couldn’t have her because she was happily married,
Pan saw that cause of the peeping tom that he is, and made a deal with Hook to procure a seer from one of the lands he traveled to on his ship and use her to brand Rumpel the village coward. Hook would be like, “why ruin someone’s life?” and Pan would be like “what do you care? you could get Milah after she won’t want him anymore because he’d be the coward”
it would be a sot of parallel to Emma in neverland.
I LIKE Hook the villain.
Phee wrote: Another reason that occurred to me why they won’t kill off Neal. The cycle of abandonment is a MAJOR theme for the Stilskins. Malcolm abandoned Rumple, Rumple abandoned Bae, and from the moment Neal discovered he was a father, his mentality has been: “We’re all messed up. What do you say we try to avoid that with him?” And since that moment, he’s been there for Henry in any way he possibly can be. This generation has succeeded at breaking the cycle of father/son abandonment that goes back (at least) two generations. They actually have a shot at sustaining a healthy, committed, father/son relationship. That is a major development for this family! I just cannot imagine them then turning around and killing off one half of this generation’s father/son pair. It would make no sense. It would negate the victory that was this family overcoming the breaking that abandonment cycle. It would make Neal’s efforts to be there for Henry null and void. I just can’t see any reason they would want to do that.
I agree that this is single handedly the best reason why Neal surviving makes the most sense. He’s not only Rumple’s and Henry’s happy ending; he’s the one who is proving that a family can be restored. He’s the hope for his son realizing that one need not be defined by one’s past mistakes, that forgiveness is possible, and that broken relationships can be restored. His second chance isn’t only with Emma in a romantic sense but it’s also about showing his son that he can be a man who makes commitments and keeps them. Also, Neal forgiving his father for abandoning him helps demonstrate to Henry that it’s possible to forgive the deepest hurts and it also demonstrates that principle to Emma, in that hope that she can one day fully forgive him and her own parents. Neal challenges Emma in her own personal growth to reach deep down past the pain to find hope for the future of setting a new, better emotional framework. Emma loving Neal helps her deal with the deepest part of herself, baggage included, and in the end, makes her a better person for being able to forgive him all the pain they went through, which he never wanted for either of them, and calls the biggest regret of his life. Neal’s survival isn’t just about his happy ending; it’s about a family’s continued healing.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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