Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[RumplesGirl]

I have been through character’s death before. But my problem, is If Neal death used as cataylst for CS and Hook/Henry bonding. (which could be viewed as slap in the face to CaptainFire/Swanfire Fans) that is where I would be disappointed

I think that would be one storyline that would make me reconsider this show. Because it would be so
“you father is dead. I am you papa now.” and basically I would pitch a fit

If Neal is the one to die, then I seriously believe because MRJ asked to leave for what ever personal reasons. I can’t see any of this being story driven without it seeming like its fan pandering and fan service, which is just sad if it is. I’m still keeping my hope that Neal is still alive until proven otherwise.

I think I’m inclined to agree.

in other news….Bobby is on set. Rumple is alive and Imma focus on that

[kfchimera]

I agree Ranisha.  I would have been FINE if Tamara had been “the one” for him at the breakfast part of S,B & T–and I wanted that actually. I doubted she was evil.  I thought she’d be a real world person right up until half-way through S,B&T.  I wasn’t about SF b/c they have a kid and used to be in love.  It’s about the fact he’s Bae, all grown up and Emma never stopped loving him.  That he never stopped loving her.  They went to great lengths to emphasize that this love continued on in circumstances when really, if it were a lesser degree of connection, it shouldn’t still be there.   Emma’s had so much to help her move on and Neal as well and neither fully get there–but neither want to get there.  Are they “fine” with being friends? They love each other so much that yes, they’re willing to put aside their selfish point of view of wanting romance for the happiness of the other and especially for Henry’s sake.  I don’t think that means they are less loving, but more.  They’re not hormonal teenagers who can’t think about anything but how hot the other person is, regardless of what kind of person and how they’re treated.   That wasn’t the kind of young love they had.  They treated EACH OTHER well, up until August showed up.  People say Neal was going to leave before then but what was his reasoning? He didn’t want her to go to jail for his crime–ironic, isn’t it.  That was the last thing he wanted to happen and it did. He didn’t want Wendy’s brothers to be taken by Pan, but they were.  He wanted to help his father, but ended up being separated.  He’s had a terrible hand by fate, but his choices generally were motivated by wanting to help others even at risk to himself.  He didn’t always believe when he should, or have faith, but that was his journey.  He had to conquer his doubts just as any hero has to conquer his. They JUST had him die and come back.   So some people say “Yes, so he’s done, need to move on to new plot.” The heck?

Emma doesn’t just see pain and sadness with Neal.  There’s a quote from J.Mo that Schmacky had on her page the other day that  “also emotionally she has to believe he’s dead because she’s already been through so much loss with him that I don’t think her heart could take hoping that he was still alive and in that situation.”  (bold added) Look at that, some people say oh she’s been through so much loss with him, so that’s what he means to her, its just painful.  NO! What J.Mo is saying that Emma is scared to HOPE that he’s alive.  Not scared and DREADING that he’s alive.  It’s not a bad thing to Emma that Neal is alive.  It’s not something she wished were not true in the sense that she was happy he died and wanted to move on.  She’s scared to experience the loss in that situation.   You know, NL, the “whole island’s a bloody trap” place?  The place where Pan  has done everything to undermine her confidence that she can save everyone?  Where they are facing certain death?  In some ways like the fandom now, there’s a few a bit dreading the show going back on and whisking away a character we love.    It’s hard to go through–and imagine, if you had spoilers at the cage scene, knowing that yeah he is totally going to die soon anyway.  Imagine that?  If the writers had this in mind when they wrote that scene, then seriously, the heck?  Why think about everything they’ve been through as a “benefit” to her understanding of him as opposed to “she doesn’t have her memories, but even if she did, as we saw in NL, he’s not someone she really wants in her life”.  If A&E said that, we’d all say ok, not how we interpreted her words, but we’d know she wants to move on.  Instead it sounds like Emma does want Neal, does love him, and is just scared fate will take him, that she won’t be able to stop it, that all those experiences she had helped bring her closer to him.  So what are they going to do ? Take him again? That’s not moving the plot forward!  That is an endless retread.  They have to show Emma conquering her fears about the price of her magic, her role as the savior and his as the son of the Dark One.   They don’t have to show that being about restarting a relationship with Neal, but killing him off?  That’s confirming what she thought and taking away hope from her and Henry.  Plot retread and backtracking indeed, that only makes sense if forced into it by the actors somehow.

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Slurpeez]

I think that would be one storyline that would make me reconsider this show. Because it would be so “you father is dead. I am you papa now.” and basically I would pitch a fit

If that were to happen, I would be so upset! Just thinking about it makes me upset! Hook is/was a terrible father figure! And what about Eddy Kitsis’ words? It’d be a total reversal of his statement from when Hook was first introduced in 2×4 as being a horrible father figure to Baelfire!

“I think what’s interesting is the love of Emma’s life last year was Henry and this year we actually met the one person that she has fallen in love with [Neal]. Hook is obviously eye candy. I don’t know if she would stare at him and think he would be a great father to Henry but he might be fun in Vegas.”

Are we really supped to believe that Hook has turned the corner and magically accepted commitment and fatherhood? Are we supposed to buy that Emma has entrusted her son, her true love, into the hands of a pirate?  Does Emma even know that Hook and Milha abandoned little Baelfire and then handed him over to the most murderous Lost Boys? That is why I question whether Hook has Emma’s blessing to be alone with Henry  on a “camping trip.” I feel there is something more nefarious going on there.

Is Baelfire, the boy who spent centuries feeling alone and abandoned in a cave, just going to die a horrible, miserable death without ever getting the family he ever dreamt of?! That would be the antithesis of a happy ending for him, his father, his child or Emma! If that happens, I’m seriously going to reconsider watching this show; it’d just be too heart-wrenching, and I wouldn’t be able to suspend my disbelief! Sorry, guys……I want to be strong. I’m going to endeavor to hang in there for all of the excellent reasons that Neal’s story isn’t done. I want to have faith, hope, and belief that people can be forgiven and that second chances are possible.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Is Baelfire, the boy who spent centered feeling alone and abandoned in a cave, just going to die a horrible, miserable death without ever getting the family he ever dreamt of?! That would be the antithesis of a happy ending for him, his father, his child or Emma! If that happens I’m seriously going to reconsider watching this show; it’d just be too heart-wrenchg and I wouldn’t be able to suspend my disbelief! Sorry, guys……I want to be strong. I’m going to endeavor to hang in there for all of the excellent reasons that Neal’s story isn’t done. I want to have faith, hope, and belief that people can be forgiven and that second chances are possible.

I know Matt keeps saying we have to see the inshow reason but after everything Nealfire went through, and then to die, would be a slap in the face to people who keep doing the right things. Neal has always done what is right and true. And then to go and kill him for it….just makes no sense. *sigh* I’m trying to be strong. But everyone outside of our little haven is insisting it’s him

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

That’s why I really have no doubt that he’s gonna survive. It would be straight up ludicrous for them to take the good kid who lost his family, then struggled for centuries, kept his brave heart despite everything he went through, and now has a shot at getting his happy ending…and killed him. It would make less than zero sense, and I just can’t see Adam and Eddy butchering a character like that when said character is 100% their own creation, which is rare for this show. I will honest to God be absolutely floored if Neal dies.

[Slurpeez]

Phee wrote: That’s why I really have no doubt that he’s gonna survive. It would be straight up ludicrous for them to take the good kid who lost his family, then struggled for centuries, kept his brave heart despite everything he went through, and now has a shot at getting his happy ending…and killed him. It would make less than zero sense, and I just can’t see Adam and Eddy butchering a character like that when said character is 100% their own creation, which is rare for this show. I will honest to God be absolutely floored if Neal dies.

I’d be seriously shocked too! So, yes, I’m keeping the faith until I see concrete evidence! I also seriously wonder if the writers are building up the drama to make it appear like Neal could be the one to die, and then at the last moment, Hook sacrifices his life to save Neal. Now that would cause a commotion!

RumplesGirl wrote: Like I said earlier, I stand by the theory that Neal is off with RH getting water

Also, I really like RG’s suggestion that Robin Hood and Neal have some sort of plan to save everyone in SB from the WWW! I really want to see Neal step into the role of being an undeniable hero (even though I already think he is).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Also, I really like RG’s suggestion that Robin Hood and Neal have some sort of plan to save everyone in SB from the WWW! I really want to see Neal step into the role of being an undeniable hero (even though I already think he is).

Yup. and if Emma is a maybe stand in for Dorothy then Neal can be a sort of stand in for the Scarecrow, whom Dorothy would “miss most of all.” The smart one who comes up with plans–like going to Dark Hollow and knowing how to get everyone home

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

RumplesGirl wrote: Yup. and if Emma is a maybe stand in for Dorothy then Neal can be a sort of stand in for the Scarecrow, whom Dorothy would “miss most of all.” The smart one who comes up with plans–like going to Dark Hollow and knowing how to get everyone home

If Regina and Rumple are prisoners of the WWW, then someone else has to save them. And Emma and the Charmings seem to have been taken by surprise. So perhaps it really is up to an outside group to save the town. I like the idea that Chris Gorham is the Wizard of Oz, and he’s recruited Robin Hood, his merry men, Neal and some of the dwarves like Grumpy to go on a mission to defeat the WWW.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

I accept Slurpeez’s headcanon 🙂

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

If Emma is gonna parallel Dorothy, and Neal the Scarecrow, maybe Hook’s the lion, who has to find the courage to do the truly noble thing? Who gets to be Tin Man? Rumple trying to reunite with his heart (Belle) though he’s being held prisoner by WW?

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