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February 3, 2014 at 11:25 pm #242710
RumplesGirl
KeymasterWont’ lie. Sorta starting to believe my own headcanon that Hook goes to get Davy Jones, the ferrymen of souls, to bring back Neal in exchange for his own life.
I need more duck stories. Please post more duck stories! 😀
Oh they shall come my friend. They shall come.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"February 3, 2014 at 11:37 pm #242714Josephine
Participant*sings* Duck Tales, a woooooo.
Will we one day have an older distinguished mallard with a cane?
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
February 4, 2014 at 12:18 am #242719Slurpeez
ParticipantTonight Adam tweeted that the story “demanded” a character be killed off. If you ask me, how would the story “demand” Neal’s untimely demise? In my opinion, it wouldn’t in any way be justified, especially when we’re told to believe in second chances and Rumple sacrificed himself to give his son another shot at happiness.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
February 4, 2014 at 12:21 am #242720RumplesGirl
Keymasterwithout this sounding overly critical…but the story could also demand that you take care of a certain love triangle as quickly as possible in order to have it off your back. It’s lazy writing and I don’t like it but if you’re looking at the only news your show is getting is because of ships, you might want to correct that post haste.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"February 4, 2014 at 12:33 am #242722molly
ParticipantSounds like the Captain may be facing grave danger. If that is the case, then I wish A&E would just send him off on an adventure, to be brought back at a later point in time. Imagine Hook returning and wanting to focus on being a better person. Either Rumple or Regina could take him under their wing (like a sponsor) as both will be much farther along on their redemption paths. Could have been fun times.
There’s no story line dicated reason for killing off Rumple’s son, Henry’s father, and the man whose absences continue to hurt Emma.
Belief in SwanFire
February 4, 2014 at 12:48 am #242727Slurpeez
Participantmolly wrote: There’s no story line dicated reason for killing off Rumple’s son, Henry’s father, and the man whose absences continue to hurt Emma.
Precisely, which is why I am torn over this spoiler being “demanded.” To me, there is absolutely no way that Neal’s passing could in any way be necessitated by the story alone. The only character whose death seems to have been hinted at several times and whose character arc ending in a heroic send-off would be Hook, especially if he does end up being like Sydney Carton. Otherwise, no, this spoiler is hard to swallow.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
February 4, 2014 at 12:51 am #242729RumplesGirl
KeymasterI agree. If story demands it, then it’s Hook
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"February 4, 2014 at 12:55 am #242730Slurpeez
Participant“@vayleen: @AdamHorowitzLA I want to know why he picked the name Neal Cassidy. Was/Is he a Kerouac fan?” Love Kerouac
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) February 4, 2014
“@vayleen: @AdamHorowitzLA I want to know why he picked the name Neal Cassidy. Was/Is he a Kerouac fan?”
Love Kerouac
I admit I never read “On the Road” or saw the film but I did look up some information on Wikipedia:
Neal Leon Cassady (February 8, 1926 – February 4, 1968) was a major figure of the Beat Generation of the 1950s and the psychedelic and counterculture movements of the 1960s. He was prominently featured as himself in the original “scroll” (first draft) version, and served as the model for the character Dean Moriarty, in Jack Kerouac’s 1957 version of the novel On the Road.
Also, here’s an interestingly cryptic tweet from Adam:
“@jessicab8597: @AdamHorowitzLA When did you decide to make Hook 1 of Emma's love interests?” Who said we did?
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) February 4, 2014
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“@fairestduckling: @AdamHorowitzLA why dont you ever talk about neal?” Hang out in writer's room, I talk about him constantly
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) February 4, 2014
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
February 4, 2014 at 1:34 am #242733kfchimera
ParticipantWell if the story demands it in the way it demanded GOAT dying (i.e. they were annoying and people didn’t like them ) or August dying (actor wasn’t available and wanted to wrap it up) that gives me zero confidence here that this is truly something that will feel some amount of resonance in the story rather than a cheap ploy to up the emotional stakes while pruning off their messy love triangle. If the writing is bad, then I cannot keep going and they haven’t been hitting it out of the park in terms of mythology reveals, character consistency or even just “fun to watch” factor. I’ve felt it was very uneven in general.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
February 4, 2014 at 3:36 am #242737Phee
ParticipantGOAT were disposable though, so I’m reasonably forgiving when it comes to how unceremoniously they got killed off. They didn’t work out as well as they’d originally hoped, so they wanted to get rid of them. I’ll never be OK with what they did to August, and suspect that had something to do with how popular Colin was as Hook. I think they originally had other plans for August, but ended up wanting to give Hook more screen time instead, so they had to do something different with August, and unfortunately that’s how they chose to handle it. If the death is Hook, then I do think it could resonate as a strong plot point, because I think it could show some worthwhile character development if they have him die in a sacrificial way. Saying the storyline “demands” the death is some pretty strong language though, and I do think they could give Hook a redemptive arc without death being necessary. I can’t see how anyone else’s death would really serve their individual storyline and/or the broader storyline in any sort of necessary way though.
Loved Adam’s tweet about how Neal gets talked about in the writers’ room all the time. 🙂
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