Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[RumplesGirl]

https://twitter.com/MRaymondJames/status/386975120792616960

From MRJ during his #AskMRJ October 6th

Everyone together now:

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Twice Upon A Time]

Way too many feels to form coherent sentences

[RumplesGirl]

Way too many feels to form coherent sentences

I was at dinner when I saw this tweet and literally started fist pumping and cheering.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

So what did everyone think of 302? I know I’m wearing my goggle, but Emma seems to continually rebuff Hook’s advances and flirtations. As if, thus far, it is all very one sided. Thoughts?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[AtlanticaDream]

Agreed, to me it is one-sided, to me Emma has friend-zoned him. *adjusts goggles*

Proud Keeper of the Dinglehoppers

[CrownedWithLaurels]

I desperately want to find a gif of that major eye role she gave this ep.  Actually,  I want to compile every single eye roll she’s ever given him! lol…

But yeah, can’t wait to rewatch tomorrow. It’s amazing how her *OH BROTHER* face and eye rolls give me so much joy.

Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.

[RumplesGirl]

Just did my rewatch:

1) I think it’s very clear that Hook likes Emma. He wants her walls to come down so he can get to know her. He even says, “And who are you, Swan?”

2)But her response is: “Wouldn’t you like to know” and then after he responds, she walks off. In other words (to me): “My walls aren’t coming down for you. I’ve got other things to deal with–like a possible rouge Regina and parents who are very different from me and my son.”

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

I did thinkshe was being nicer to Hook and Regina both, perhaps because she was feeling tense around MM and David, but also to be the leader.  Regina called her Emma, not Miss Swan, and Hook shared another drink with her.   The difference is of course Hook continues to be interested in her, but I felt he toned down the flirt a bit, and as a result was given less hostile treatment.

I agree she still has walls up that she is not ready to lower but even more important was that her headspace was being a little girl again.  She was not thinking of romance, but on being an orphan.  It does not matter what romantic or parental love comes into her life.  Those childhood years are gone, and she will never get them back or get to experience them as a child with parents.

Yet she has parents now and though they are the same age, I think Snow and Charming can be in her life in a parental way.  Emma thinks they have the same wisdom but  it is not quite true.  David and Snow both grew up with loving parents at least part of the time and it is true of Neal too.  Emma did not really ever experience what that is like.

So what is Emma there to do? Be a mother!  I think the necklace that belonged to Eva was an interesting detail, perhaps meaningless or perhaps it might lead into the writers exploring that Snow and Charming having a sense of what it even means to be a mother that Emma lacks, because of the examples they had of Ruth and Eva.

I am a bit worried at the hidden depth of Emma’s resentment because while we knew she would still have issues with Neal, I thought she was further along on forgiving.  The only thing is, when Pan mentioned Henry I knew it is something Emma will have to heal because she has to believe that Henry would forgive her too. So fundamentally her situation has not changed, even if right now she has gone backwards emotionally, but I think she will make progress rapidly on it.  I have a feeling Charming’s injury might spark the realization that she truly loves her parents too despite the years of loss.  I hope that of course would feed into a much later realization with Neal.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Phee]

Just did my rewatch:

1) I think it’s very clear that Hook likes Emma. He wants her walls to come down so he can get to know her. He even says, “And who are you, Swan?”

2)But her response is: “Wouldn’t you like to know” and then after he responds, she walks off. In other words (to me): “My walls aren’t coming down for you. I’ve got other things to deal with–like a possible rouge Regina and parents who are very different from me and my son.”

I liked this scene because I love me some genuinely vulnerable Hook. It wasn’t innuendo this time, there was a softness in his voice when he said, “Perhaps I would,” that sounded like simple honesty IMO. Emma’s reaction was very, “I’ve got enough to deal with right now, don’t seriously think that I’m in the mood to be hit on,” and I actually felt kinda sorry for him being shot down like that. Considering all the other times he’s flirted with her though, he can’t expect her to instantly accept that his intentions have become more genuine.

I think the necklace that belonged to Eva was an interesting detail, perhaps meaningless or perhaps it might lead into the writers exploring that Snow and Charming having a sense of what it even means to be a mother that Emma lacks, because of the examples they had of Ruth and Eva.

That thing with the necklace really struck me too, because they had to have put it in there for a reason, and I like this explanation. Both Snow and Charming lost their parents, but they’d known their parents, had been able to establish that emotional connection to them, they had things to hold onto, like Ruth’s ring, Eva’s necklace, and all the memories. Emma had none of that from her own parents.

I am a bit worried at the hidden depth of Emma’s resentment because while we knew she would still have issues with Neal, I thought she was further along on forgiving. The only thing is, when Pan mentioned Henry I knew it is something Emma will have to heal because she has to believe that Henry would forgive her too. So fundamentally her situation has not changed, even if right now she has gone backwards emotionally, but I think she will make progress rapidly on it. I have a feeling Charming’s injury might spark the realization that she truly loves her parents too despite the years of loss. I hope that of course would feed into a much later realization with Neal.

I absolutely think that the way they’re having her dig down into all her emotional turmoil about being abandoned, and about abandoning Henry, is setup for her dealing with those similar issues concerning Neal. She can’t deal with one, without dealing with the other. If they’d only brought it all up once Neal gets back, then it wouldn’t ring true if she’s been playing happy families with her parents in the meantime. But having her start to work through it now, I think will put her in a better position to accept Neal, by the time he shows up.

[Slurpeez]

kfchimera wrote:

I am a bit worried at the hidden depth of Emma’s resentment because while we knew she would still have issues with Neal, I thought she was further along on forgiving. The only thing is, when Pan mentioned Henry I knew it is something Emma will have to heal because she has to believe that Henry would forgive her too. So fundamentally her situation has not changed, even if right now she has gone backwards emotionally, but I think she will make progress rapidly on it. I have a feeling Charming’s injury might spark the realization that she truly loves her parents too despite the years of loss. I hope that of course would feed into a much later realization with Neal.

I absolutely think that the way they’re having her dig down into all her emotional turmoil about being abandoned, and about abandoning Henry, is setup for her dealing with those similar issues concerning Neal. She can’t deal with one, without dealing with the other. If they’d only brought it all up once Neal gets back, then it wouldn’t ring true if she’s been playing happy families with her parents in the meantime. But having her start to work through it now, I think will put her in a better position to accept Neal, by the time he shows up.

I was reading a recent interview in which Jennifer Morrison spoke about how NL adversely affected Emma. Normally, we have seen Emma with her walls up, but NL strips her of those defenses which causes her walls to come crashing down. So the Emma we are watching cry to her mother is really the lost little girl who only wanted her mom and dad growing up.

In S2, Emma was more closed off so her feelings of abandonment from and resentment towards her parents were always buried beneath the surface. Being in NL, where a person must confront her past, is now causing those hidden emotions to come forth–which PP is trying to exploit to turn Emma against her parents. Emma deserves to find happiness, and the only way she can do that is to come to terms with her past so that she can find her future. A&E have said that because there is no time in NL, people are forced to live in the past, which is why we witnessed Emma’s heartbreaking orphan scene in 3×2; she is at her most vulnerable, because she has returned to being that lost little girl.

PP is so twisted and clearly is projecting his own abandonment issues and resentment onto the Lost Boys and now onto Emma and Henry. The thing that PP may not realize is that Emma can and will be able to eventually forgive her parents for letting go. Likewise, while Emma undoubtably has resentment issues for Neal letting her go, her ability to forgive is going to apply to him as well. As the product of true love, I think Emma’s ability to really love her family and to forgive them may prove to be extraordinary, surpassing that of a normal person. I think her journey to accepting her past and forgiving her parents will prepare Emma to do the same with Neal.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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