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Yes, I’m on the fence too. It could be a set up to just hand-waive away previous development and create a whole new dynamic between everyone. The part that’s most thought provoking here is that “not everyone can be trusted”. What to make of that? Once again, no mention of Neal. We never get the assurance that Neal and Emma will have scenes together and time to truly deal with the things that have happened to them–some fairy tale obstacle is always in the way. I’m trying to take Slurpeez’s words and kindle that flame of hope that the writers will not just do a rug sweep here and that there will be some payoff to the storyline and all the set-up with things like putting Emma in NYC, having her keep the bug, and other elements. Sigh…March is a long way, and I’m seriously tempted to just delay watching the whole thing too, as it may be more enjoyable to just be in my own thoughts and let it unfold as it will. Spoilers are always a double-edged sword. You get a hint, perhaps ruin something by pre-judging what is going to happen before it does but sometimes it encourages you to keep watching.
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RumplesGirl wrote: I actually just came to the same conclusion you did and put that OMG back a page. How does Hook get out of FTL if not with some help??
Yes, we must’ve hit “submit” at the same time. The minute I read that someone can’t be trusted, my mind immediately flashed to Hook. Of all the people who have a tendency to switch sides, he’s the one with a track record for doing so. He may seem like he’s reformed into the helpful hero, but I also think he’s still in it to win Emma, at all costs. I predict he’s going to do the selfish thing up until the last minute when he has a change of heart and then makes the ultimate sacrifice to help Emma, for whom he has unrequited love, be reunited with her true love, who is his “son,” Neal. In so doing, his life won’t have been wasted, because he’ll have done something to help the people he loves.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
kfchimera wrote: Yes, I’m on the fence too. It could be a set up to just hand-waive away previous development and create a whole new dynamic between everyone. The part that’s most thought provoking here is that “not everyone can be trusted”. What to make of that? Once again, no mention of Neal. We never get the assurance that Neal and Emma will have scenes together and time to truly deal with the things that have happened to them–some fairy tale obstacle is always in the way. I’m trying to take Slurpeez’s words and kindle that flame of hope that the writers will not just do a rug sweep here and that there will be some payoff to the storyline and all the set-up with things like putting Emma in NYC, having her keep the bug, and other elements.
While I see your point that this could be a major shift by making Hook the main male protagonist, I honestly think that is too obvious; that’s what A&E almost want people to think, because they enjoy trickery. In S3, it seems like Hook has been rewritten and his history rewritten, and yet PP, Charming and Regina have been quick to remind Hook in S3 he’s done these dark things like leaving the town for dead and letting GOAT torture Regina. Also, I think that the lack of mention of Neal is actually a positive sign that he’s going to play a big role in S3b, which is why Jane Espenson, Adam and Eddy haven’t said much about him: his story arc is going to be big by the end of the season. I just don’t think A&E would kill off Neal, whose name means champion and who is a beloved character of their own creation–the character for whom Rumple cast the original dark curse. To do so would be a nail in coffin, not just for Bae’s second chance at happiness, but would also take away Rumple’s, Henry’s and arguably Emma’s chances at happiness, too, in one fell swoop. I think Hook has been built up as Mr. Wonderful this year as a deliberate misdirection; while he may make the ultimate heroic sacrifice, I think his journey there won’t exactly be a straight and narrow one.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@Mick: yup, you’re reading that right.
Still confused and on the fence and nervous. Slurpeez is right, it could be a trick or a big deception. Or…who knows.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Is it possible that at the same time Hook got a portal from the WWW–if that is what happened–he also got a memory potion? We’ve been under the assumption that Blue gave it to him but what if it wasn’t?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Mickstemp wrote: So their memories go back as 3×11 therefore implying the lost year spent in the EF is essentially (temporarily) wiped from their minds and out of everyone Hook’s the only one who managed to evade this specific dilemma? Hmm. Am I reading that correctly?
Yes, you’re reading that correctly, which is why I think it’s a huge red herring that Hook has been made out to seem like the main protagonist going into S3b. If you ask me, something is rotten in the kingdom of
Denmarkthe Enchanted Forest. How could only Hook have escaped this new curse unless he’s taken measures into his own hands to ensure it? Hook has made deals with witches before.Also is this just a general curse for the sake of casting a curse or is there someone who doesn’t want them to remember something the group achieved/were planning/discovered etc.,?
I think the WW is the one who doesn’t want anyone to remember the previous year, for some unknown reason, but she may not be the only one.
Perhaps the death is the result of the individual giving up his/her life in order to break the curse and unlock the memories the group had in EF which could possibly be used to defeat WWW Would kind of explain Adam’s reasoning that the death of this character is because the story “demanded” it
Yes, that would explain how the story “demands” it but I’m not sure if self-sacrifice is required to break this new curse or not. I have an inkling what will ultimately break the curse will be Emma and Neal’s sharing a TLK. The first cursed was ended when Emma kissed her son, whom she really loves, and the only other person whom Emma has ever said that to is Neal, which seems highly significant to me. Why else would the writers have bothered to repeat it so many times since S2? If Emma and Neal’s story were really over, the writers would have simply ended it with him falling through the bean portal in 2×21. Instead, the writers allowed Neal to survive to S3 and for Emma to repeat how much she loves Neal again. If it weren’t important, the writers wouldn’t have wasted their time repeating it so many times. I think it’s because they want to underscore just how much Neal means to Emma and why she was so heartbroken and angry that she never got to explore what that meant with him. And when Eddy Kitsis says it’s really powerful to hear Emma declare her love for someone, I believe it! Also, why else have Neal tell Emma their story isn’t over in 3×11? That is why I believe Emma and Neal’s story isn’t done and why their love is true; no matter how many obstacles life has throne at them, they’ve never stopped loving one another. In a story about hope, love, family, forgiveness and happy endings, to deny Emma and Neal that second chance to finally be together would just be unfathomable to me. I know things don’t always turn out like we think, but I think the writers have left us sufficient evidence to see this story is about a family’s reconciliation, and at the heart of that story is Emma and Neal’s love for one another.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
RumplesGirl wrote: Is it possible that at the same time Hook got a portal from the WWW–if that is what happened–he also got a memory potion? We’ve been under the assumption that Blue gave it to him but what if it wasn’t?
I think it’s HIGHLY likely that is what happens! I was actually thinking along the same lines. We saw in the promo for 3×12 that the WW was concocting a potion from someone’s hair….maybe that is the potion she gives to Hook, who then uses it on Emma. I’m not sure what the WWW would get out of Emma returning to town, but maybe like Rumple did in S1, the WWW actually desires Emma to break this new curse. Plus, WWW controlling Rumple would be an added bonus from Hook’s perspective. Hook may have temporarily called a truce with Rumple, but he certainly hasn’t forgiven him for killing Milha and cutting off his hand. Making a deal with the WW, who may actually be powerful enough to challenge Rumple, is like icing on the cake.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
This is going to be an interesting month.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"What ingredients go into making the potion to get someone to remember?
All we know is hair
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Molly wrote: I interpret the evidence as mounting toward Hook’s untimely demise. I admit extreme bias, yet some of the most recent tweets from Adam suggest an attempt to reinterpret Hook’s relatioship with Emma. Hook has not been stated to be a love interest for Emma? That feels a little different than has been previously suggested by A&E. And why do that now if it’s not a weak, doomed to fail, attempt to temper expectations.
And after the LR 11, Eddy just totally put Hook in the “friend-zone” for Emma. Why? Well, I think it’s because her heart is already spoken for by Neal.
Molly wrote: I believe that mind games are being played and that MRJ is intentionally being kept under wraps. The online community will assume that Neal dies and then, shock, Neal lives.
That’s precisely what I think will happen. A&E are big fans of shockers, misdirections, and trickery, so making everyone think Neal is a goner but then lowering the boom that Hook is the one is something they’d totally do.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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