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October 9, 2013 at 9:38 am #214840SlurpeezParticipant
Ooooo, oooo! I am, I am!
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
October 9, 2013 at 11:02 am #214859kfchimeraParticipantJane”if you ship it I write it” Eppeson is back at the helm. Her interview with B. Barnett revealed that Jane is more into writing character and dialog than plot. So brace for it, because I think there will be lots for shippers to pour over.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
October 9, 2013 at 11:25 am #214860SlurpeezParticipantI too wish that we’d gotten his reaction to seeing the Bug in SB! But I guess from the point of the dynamic they were trying to set up between Emma/Neal/Tamara, they couldn’t really show him getting excited over her still having their Bug. They had to show him as being reluctant to just give in to believing Emma about Tamara, and if they’d showed him as being affected by the Bug in a way that he was getting emo over Emma again, that woulda thrown off the whole thing they were trying to portray with him clinging to the belief and hope that Tamara wasn’t playing him.
I think the writers could be saving the yellow bug for a later post-Neverland episode. Once they’re back in SB, Emma and Neal need to sit in the yellow bug and have a conversation in which they talk about their past experiences, their issues, their co-parenting of Henry, and eventually about their own relationship.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
October 9, 2013 at 11:52 am #214865RumplesGirlKeymasterI think the writers could be saving the yellow bug for a later post-Neverland episode. Once they’re back in SB, Emma and Neal need to sit in the yellow bug and have a conversation in which they talk about their past experiences, their issues, their co-parenting of Henry, and eventually about their own relationship.
Quite possibly. The second half is probably “the fallout from Neverland,” which really means confronting your future. If Neverland is all about your past then going back to SB is future-talk. I won’t lie, I’m a little nervous about all this but time will tell.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 9, 2013 at 12:12 pm #214869SlurpeezParticipantThe second half is probably “the fallout from Neverland,” which really means confronting your future. If Neverland is all about your past then going back to SB is future-talk. I won’t lie, I’m a little nervous about all this but time will tell.
Nervous how, exactly? If you mean you’re nervous that Killian will get under Emma’s skin, then I think that while he is going to be waiting in the wing for her, I think Emma will need to confront her past before she could even contemplate a future with anyone. While I think Emma’s walls are going to be down in NL, thereby making her more vulnerable, I expect any potential feelings for Killian to be dwarfed by her shock over Neal’s return to NL. Whatever “fallout” happens, I agree will happen after NL, but I think that Emma’s growth over the course of S3 is going to be about forgiveness. Emma forgiving her parents for leaving her is the first step and Emma forgiving Neal is going to come after. Likewise, Neal coming to terms with the destruction of the EF, his father’s desperation to use magic to save him, and his own journey to find Emma by using magic is going to change Neal so that he might even come to forgive his father for abandoning him. It’s no conindicnce that Neal and Emma are on similar journeys of self-discovery right now. Both are facing their pasts before considering the future.
If you mean you’re nervous that Emma will reciprocate Hook’s feelings more than she does her feelings for Neal, then I’d say I have yet to see that coming from her. Even if Emma does return her feelings for Hook, she has to consider whether she wants roots over adventure. Her entire life she’s been alone. Is she really just going to jump on a pirate ship to sail the seven seas after she found Henry, her parents, and Neal again? I have a hard time believing that is Emma’s idea of a happy ending. For her, home is paramount. And as we know, Emma once considered Neal her home and Emma’s promo poster said, “Believe that a Lost Girl can find her way home.” To me, that signals Emma will find her way back to Henry, her parents, and I believe, Neal. That is why them sitting in the Yellow Bug will represent them finally setting out for Tallahassee, IMO.
Also, Henry is going to figure into this Swanfire dynamic. As much as people claim a child is NOT critical to Swanfire’s relationship, I think it is important. That is not to say that a couple should only stay together for a child’s sake, but denying that a child’s well-being isn’t vital rings hollow to me. Emma and Neal already love each other for reasons that don’t include Henry, but Neal and Emma fighting together to save Henry to give him a sense of family and home is going to factor into their relationship as well. While Henry should not be the only glue that binds Swanfire, I believe he is the product of true love. Henry’s idea of a happy ending certainly includes living with his parents together in a castle. And if there is one thing that this show has revealed it’s that parents putting their own interests first without thinking of their children’s feelings results in catastrophe. Emma and Neal have to consider Henry’s feeling if they ever wish to break the cycle of mistakes with him.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
October 9, 2013 at 12:27 pm #214871RumplesGirlKeymasterI wish I could explain the nerves. But as always, Slupreez, you make excellent points. I think it’s going to be a bit of a long and torturous road, though. I’m not used to having a couple I love just not be together. Of the three ships I ship on ONCE, one is already TL (Rumbelle), one is delightfully cracky (Hookriel), and one is being teased on both sides (Swanfire).
RE: Time. I have no idea anymore. Adam has said that the first season was a little less than a year like from Oct-May, almost in real time. The second season however was only a few months. We know 205 is in October which means from 122-205, it went from May-October, but that makes no sense because Snow and Emma weren’t in FTL that long and now my head hurts.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 9, 2013 at 12:34 pm #214872SlurpeezParticipantAnd if that’s the case how much time had actually elapsed between the time Emma broke the spell in 1×22/2×1 (where we were shown he had been notified) to then allowing what? A few more days to pass before meeting up with August which then led to bumping into Tamara which then only gives us what? Days between meeting her, getting engaged, then running into Emma? And we’re supposed to buy this engagement (at least from his end) as genuine? Intentional or another screw up buy the writers?
I know stories of people who meet, fall in love and get engaged in a 3-month timespan. A person can make himself believe a woman is the one, even if she isn’t, especially when that woman plays him hard to make her personality conform to his. Tamara was the ultimate con-artist. There is nothing Tamara wouldn’t have done to make herself into the “perfect girlfriend” to make herself appeal to Neal. Yet, the person he thought he loved didn’t even really exist since Tamara was just telling him what he wanted to hear. “Oh, baby, you love primetime football? So do I!” Right? Like she really wants to watch Monday Night Football, but yet that is what they do after she cooks him his favorite meal. Yet, she secretly was screwing him over and using him to get to SB. So, even though Neal had genuine feelings for the woman he though he’d marry, that woman didn’t exist and so his shock over her betrayal would quickly have turned to anger at having been deceived if he hadn’t a) realized the woman of his dreams (Emma) really does love him and b) he wasn’t consumed with thoughts of figuring out how to return to her. Neal doesn’t have the luxury to brood over a fake relationship. His first choice, Emma, just kicked Tamara’s lying a$$ to save him and then declared her love/need for him. Neal is clearly NOT still in love with Tamara or even the idea of her.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
October 9, 2013 at 12:44 pm #214874RumplesGirlKeymasterI think Neal loved the version of Tamara that Tamara put in front of him, like Slupreez said. I’m hoping Neal address some of this by exposition at some point
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 9, 2013 at 1:02 pm #214877RumplesGirlKeymasterPart of me wonders if the somewhat negative reaction to S2 affected how much of GOAT we got in S3. I wonder if there was more there originally in the writers minds but they did a slight turn because of the criticisms.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 9, 2013 at 1:08 pm #214878SlurpeezParticipantI agree that they were superfluous characters. Greg? Nope. Tamara? Nope. Let’s just make the Home Office the Lost Boys.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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