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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • February 15, 2014 at 12:37 pm #245171
    lisas
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    So one big thing that utterly annoys me is when Neal haters throw out that he let Emma take the fall for the watches. First, as I have said a billion times….”Are we watching a different show?”

    Let’s look at some facts:

    His original plan was to go to Canada WITHOUT Emma as he knew it would only drag her into the trouble.
    SHE offered to get the watches and insisted he stay because she loved him.
    August had stopped Neal as he was going to meet up with Emma after she retrieved the watches
    We NEVER saw who initially called the cops on Emma but A&E have INSISTED it was NOT Neal.
    Theories: August called, somehow convinced Neal this was for her own good.
    Now you ask, why would he think jail is for her own good? That is a very good question I can’t give a direct answer to but we don’t’ know what August said, only that in the ending scene he did confirm how long she would be in jail
    Neal expressed EXTREME regret that she was doing his time that he felt he deserved.

    Second thing that annoys me is when people say he abandoned Emma because he didn’t want to see his father again

    During Tallahassee when he sees August again, he expresses interest in wanting to know when the curse is broken so he can see her again.
    In the August/Neal flashback scene when Emma has already arrived in StoryBrooke he still has not denied wanting to see her, only that he’s afraid she wouldn’t want to see him.
    He’s admitted to Emma that he did search for her, despite the fact August told him not to
    When explaining what he did and why, it’s almost in a similar fashion to how Emma explains giving Henry up for adoption, giving the best chance.-My theory on this is the following: I think in his time with Emma, Neal must’ve gotten some kind of idea of how lonely she was as a child, similar to his own. They had a kindred soul as they believed they were both abandoned children. Him with his father letting go of him and her being left on the side of the road as a baby. So when he finds out from August this is all untrue and that she has parents who had parted with her for her own safety and to save everyone, he learns that she has that potential to have a family, to have those parents they both yearned for growing up. And in that moment he sacrifices himself, basically his need for love and instead of being selfish, because at that point he could be very selfish. Just think about it, he could’ve kept Emma to himself,ensured his father would never regain his memory, and go on with life. But I think he let her go because he wanted her to have that love that he didn’t think he was enough for. He gave her up for her best chance. Why would he abandon her because of his father when he could’ve kept her, kept his dad without his memory, and had a nice happy ending? That’s why I believe he gave her up for that soul reason.
    Why give her up when he could’ve taken her? I think that has a hand to do with A&E’s comment of how something very bad would happen and I think August told him this, causing him to make it seem like he abandoned her, just so she woudln’t go after him causing whatever bad thing would happen.

    So the fact that this whole bit is the main reason people hate Neal and call him a jerk blows my mind. And the fact these same people LOVE Bae but then say he became a jerk. Ummmmmm did you not see the Bae scenes and how Rumple let go of him? How Hook gave him to the Lost Boys and Pan?

    His mother left him for a pirate, something he had to find out later in life though he thought at first pirates killed. His father, despite making a promise to him, let’s go of his hand as he’s thrown into a new world, choosing magic over him. Then the man who had stolen his mother way, who promised this life together, ends up giving him to Pan. How the hell would that make you feel in life? And then to top all of that he’s 14 and left in another time, He has no one to protect him, no idea where he is, what the customs are. How would you survive if you had to go off basic instincts? So he turned to being a thief so he could survive. And I’m sure he was pretty bitter about life until he met Emma.

    Another thing to look at, during Tallahassee in one scene, Emma tells Neal “I love you” when convincing him not to go to Canada. He looks at her as if he had never heard those words before in his life (still sticking to my head-canon that was the first time she told him). He had always thought he meant nothing to anyone, his mother leaving him willingly, his father, Hook. And now here was someone so adamant to keep him with her and telling him that she loved him and that was the only reason why, no hidden agenda just that she wanted to be with him. You could see that hope and love in his eyes like he only just discovered love.

    So how in the hell is this guy some abusive jerk? Abusive jerk is if he kept her from her parents, stuck with her just to have her to himself. But he didn’t do that, he gave her up for her, not for him as it never benefited him in anyway possible.

    If you don’t like Neal then you don’t understand Baelfire at all or what he’s gone through. There is no way in hell he was going to retain his purity and innocence after all he has gone through and realized. It’s amazing he’s not in some hardcore therapy! Or hell for all we know he might be! But I just really cannot understand why people say he’s a jerk or he is selfish, etc, etc. If you can give me a good reason, other than ”He abandoned Emma!!111oeeennnnnn” I’ll hear you out and open a discussion. But I’m tired of the same overused excuse that has been refuted by Neal fans and especially by Adam and Eddy.

    X

    I completely agree with all of this.

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    Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking Stick

    February 15, 2014 at 3:49 pm #245194
    heatherc1275
    Participant

    I read that long meta earlier today and totally agree with it too. People don’t stay the same throughout their whole life and people who go through all the stuff that Nealfire has gone through since he was very young are definitely not going to stay the same. Shipping aside, my heart aches for this guy so much after all he’s been through and I want so badly for him to finally have his happy ending. (((Nealfire)))

    BTW-Don’t forget about #HopeforNeal on Twitter tonight at 7 PM EST!!!!! 😀

    michaelraymondjamess:

    TODAY IS THE DAY!!!

    I’m excited and nervous!

    At 7pmEST, we trend on Twitter #HopeForNeal.

    Help support the character and Michael Raymond-James by letting him know we care.

    I seriously hope this trends…

    Ps, if you don’t know what time it is where you are at. 7pmEST; I suggest going to a time zone converter.

    I don’t know in Europe this event starts around Feb16 1am, depending on where you are. But even if it’s late, I hope you can just be here for an hour? 😀

    Hope to see everyone there!

    Source: http://geekykitty.tumblr.com/post/76755601170/michaelraymondjamess-today-is-the-day-im

     

    Source: http://onceuponatime-confessions.tumblr.com/post/76752573776/i-want-neal-and-emma-to-grow-old-together


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    February 15, 2014 at 4:22 pm #245196
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    People don’t stay the same throughout their whole life and people who go through all the stuff that Nealfire has gone through since he was very young are definitely not going to stay the same

    God. THIS

    I am so *irked* by the constant Neal is not Bae thing. It’s really starting to get to me.

    He’s a TRAUMA VICTIM.

    Do you know what happens to TRAUMA VICTIMS?! They fundamentally change. Their core beings change because they go through something that drastically alters the way they view the world.

    I am just…UGH

    Ok. I need to step back or something. Neal IS BAE. And BAE IS NEAL. He’s just grown up and gone through more CRAP than people can imagine. He’s been left and abused and abandoned and starved and held captive and left alone and he’s hurt and scared and thinks that he is just not plain good enough for anyone to ever love because he has been given a mountain of crap his whole life.

    I said I was going to step back didn’t I?

     

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    February 15, 2014 at 5:54 pm #245204
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    I feel like Neal at his core remains unchanged, even though he’s had to deal with a lifetime of abandonment and fear of rejection. Neal is Baelfire, just with 300 years of extra baggage to deal with. He’s a work in progress, yes, but at his core he remains optimistic, hopeful and loving. Among all the characters, he and Emma probably have the most to be unhappy about, but yet he’s maintained his eternal optimism. Being a dad has completely given his life new meaning and a new direction.

    I love this pic. I really hope we have more Henry and Neal interactions before the end of S3a. x

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    February 15, 2014 at 6:22 pm #245208
    CrownedWithLaurels
    Participant

    On the flipside, according to fans, we are supposed to blindly believe Hook is no longer Hook but Killian. He’s seen as justified for changing in a matter of MINUTES, becoming a pirate because his brother just died… And here Baelfire has been abandoned over and over again by people who claim to love him, and he’s done nothing but sacrifice himself to help these people… and had 300 years of being alone… I’m not a hook hater by any means, but just using this as an example… the same people who claim Neal does not equal Bae are the same ones who claim after 5 days Hook is no longer Hook but Killian… a man who turned into a Pirate at the drop of a hat. I’m not downplaying the loss of a sibling. I lost a sibling. My husband has lost a sibling. It HURTS and it never goes away. EVER. But the instantaneous change from honorable navy captain to ruthless pirate was just so so so quick. Granted we haven’t seen the entire story of Navy Killian. But the way they set it up, they led us to believe he was this honorable navy captain. So for now, that’s what we have to go on.

    I agree, it’s just not hard for me to see Neal as Bae. I feel like that’s why I love Neal so much. Because from the beginning of S1 I LOVED BAELFIRE, and for someone who has had a life such as he, he’s done pretty great. He hasn’t murdered anyone, he hasn’t committed attempted murder, and he continues to sacrifice himself for those around him WHEN HE GETS NOTHING in return. Absolutely nothing.

     

    His heart is SO BEAUTIFUL. <3<3<3<3 and I have #HopeForNeal to get his happy ending.

    Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.

    February 15, 2014 at 7:19 pm #245211
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    This is probably my favorite Neal fan-manip yet! 😀

    x

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    February 15, 2014 at 7:47 pm #245214
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    This is probably my favorite Neal fan-manip yet! :D x

    that one is pretty awesome!

    @CWL I agree with everything you say. I love Neal’s heart.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    February 15, 2014 at 7:53 pm #245217
    CrownedWithLaurels
    Participant

    Woohoo, a dozen flaming swans for everyone! #HopeForNeal trended in the NUMBER 2 spot in the U.S. in less than 20 minutes into our tending time and trended worldwide within 40 minutes. !! <3<3<3

    Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.

    February 15, 2014 at 8:03 pm #245218
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    I love that #HopeForNeal trended worldwide (I’m not even sure what that means exactly, but sounds good!) 😀

    Here’s another lovely SF video:

    Neal & Emma – Staring At It

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    February 15, 2014 at 8:15 pm #245220
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Woohoo, a dozen flaming swans for everyone! #HopeForNeal trended in the NUMBER 2 spot in the U.S. in less than 20 minutes into our tending time and trended worldwide within 40 minutes. !! <3<3<3[/quote]

    Oh that's really great!!!!

    [quote=245218]Neal & Emma – Staring At It[/quote]

    /pain

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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