- This topic has 25,813 replies, 124 voices, and was last updated 6 years, 9 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
A poll for the SwanFires:
When will Neal arrive in Neverland and when will he find Emma?
There is so much talk about this on the chat lately that I thought I’d ask the people who care the most.
I think I’m on board with what Lisa has said all along: arrives in NL either the very end of 303 or the beginning of 304. Spends all of 304 with Rumple. No Neal in 305 or 306. Rejoins Emma and Co in 307. Then we’ll have full blown CSF.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I kind of lost track of all the spoilers to even make a guess now when he’d get to NL and who he might meet first. I kind of want it to take long enough that his arrival has real impact in terms of turning the tide of hope for the characters, perhaps being able to offer insight into Pan’s tactics from having been a lost boy himself, possibly having escaped. I hope he escaped rather than being strategically released, so that he turns out to be this wild card that Pan didn’t expect.
I don’t know what the writers have in mind. Sometimes we expect something warm and fluffy and what we get is a fiance, a prophecy of doom, and a gunshot + portal drop. On the other hand, the fiance was faking it, the prophecy is something Rumple wants to change, and Neal miraculously survived.
So I expect much more dark and twisty bleakness before the writers are ready to offer the ray of hope, before then introducing a whole new world of problems. (Hm that’s not really an Aladdin reference but I’m excited for OUAT:WL so maybe it is….JAFAR…. :P).
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I’m almost positive he’ll join the others in 307. As for when he’ll actually arrive…303/304 feels too early to me, but spoilers for 303 do make it sound like it’s not gonna take forever for him to find a way to make a portal out of FTL. But I’ve been thinking that maybe if we’re gonna see Ariel realm jump from NL to SB in 306, perhaps that will be when we also see Neal realm jump from FTL to NL, and the two events might even be connected somehow.
Dunno that I want him hanging out with Rumple. I think it might have more of an impact if the first time Neal sees his father in NL, it’s when the storyline is about the climax, because I’m guessing Rumple will be pretty out of his mind by that point, so there’d be more shock value for Neal to see him like that. I also think that if Rumple is hanging out with Neal, that may ground him a bit too much, and then he may not need the Belle vision as much, and we know we’re getting more Belle visions.
PS. Hi Ashley! 🙂
Why 307?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Because it was around the time they’d have been shooting 307 when Ginny tweeted that pic of MRJ and Josh where MRJ was dressed just like in Tallahasse, so I’m guessing 307 is Neal centric, so it’d make sense for that ep to show him reuniting with the others in present day. I could be way off of course, that’s just what I’m guessing.
I posted on tumblr about SwanFire and MRJ and I lost a follower. Funny thing is it wasn’t the prolific CS poster who follows me. I guess I had a closet anti-SwanFire fan in my midst.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
This is a continuation from the interview with Colin O’Donoghue, which Phee posted here. But, since I’m going to post about SF, I thought I’d contain my excitement here in the appropriate thread.
“You saw towards the end of last season…he sort of said ‘If I do get my revenge, what have I got to live for? What are we doing?’ And I think he is beginning to realize that there’s more to life than just trying to get revenge, you know, and I think there are certain elements that are helping him realize that and giving him something to sort of live for, I guess,” O’Donoghue said.
“He’s quite different; he’s struggling with whether or not he should try to become this new person or not and that’s difficult for him because I think there’s a part of him that wants to try to do the right thing, but he’s been living with this hatred and revenge for hundreds of years, so it’s tough to let go of. That’s a real struggle for him.” ….
“I think the relationship that they have is sort of complicated because they both care deeply for Baelfire. Emma loves him, you know, and Hook was willing to give up everything to become his step-father– that figure. And in the first episode you see that he has kept his sword. Remember that he would have had to have kept that sword for hundreds of years, and he says to her– ’cause she said ‘Obviously you guys were quite close’– and he said ‘I miss him, too’. And he was very, very genuine about that. They always saw an element of themselves in each other anyway, I think, from when they went up the beanstalk, but in particular this sort of thing you know is kind of, they’re not that dissimilar,” O’Donoghue said.
I’m really glad to get Colin’s take on Hook and Bae’s relationship. This gives me real hope that Hook would want to respect Neal when he returns to NL and give him space to work things out with Emma. I think that while Hook is going to develop strong feelings for Emma, the fact that Colin said Hook is changing means that he is having real character growth. Hopefully, that means Hook won’t dash Neal’s chances at a family with with Emma and Henry, since Hook did sort of help destroy Bae’s nuclear family by whisking away Milha on his ship. As Colin said, Hook really does entertain fatherly feelings for Bae. I hope that Hook’s paternal love is enough to help him do the honorable thing and give Neal a chance at happiness with Emma. Of course, it’s completely up to Emma which man, if either, she ends up with. Yet, I wish Hook would be true to his word and give his would be step-son, Neal, a second chance at a family, which includes Emma. How funny would it be if Hook ended up as Emma’s quasi father-in-law?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
My big problem with the idea of Hook stepping aside is that it makes it seem like Swanfire can only happen if he gives them permission. I almost want Hook to refuse to give up Emma so that when Emma makes the decision to be with Neal it won’t be because Hook made some sort of white heart move and “let” them be together. That will only add fuel to the CS fire and say “see he really loves her, they’ll be back together eventually.” I would prefer if Emma shuts down Hook entirely while he’s fighting for her so to say, “I’ve made my choice. It’s always going to be Neal.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"My big problem with the idea of Hook stepping aside is that it makes it seem like Swanfire can only happen if he gives them permission. I almost want Hook to refuse to give up Emma so that when Emma makes the decision to be with Neal it won’t be because Hook made some sort of white heart move and “let” them be together. That will only add fuel to the CS fire and say “see he really loves her, they’ll be back together eventually.” I would prefer if Emma shuts down Hook entirely while he’s fighting for her so to say, “I’ve made my choice. It’s always going to be Neal.”
Hmmm, maybe. Yet, that would be pretty heart-wrenching to watch. If we see Hook fall madly in love with Emma, and yet it’s unreciprocated by her, that would pretty much dash Hook’s hopes of love (at least for the short-term). Even I, who loves SF, don’t want to see Hook heartbroken for a second time in his life (like when he lost Milha). It might make Hook regress to the point of being somewhat suicidal and make him more willing to die to protect Emma, all in the name of unrequited love. Not to spark a bunch of fear about Hook, but Emma did say in “In the Name of the Brother” :
“If I were to pick dead guy of the year, I’d pick you.”
It’s odd how so many CS fans selectively shorten that line down to “I’d pick you” yet leave out the first part where Emma calls Hook “dead guy of the year.” As soon as I heard Emma say those words, I thought it might be a foreshadowing of Hook’s fate. Might he die in the name of love trying to save Emma while in NL? Again, I hate to spark an entire meltdown of people who fear losing their beloved captain, but it is a possibility raised by the dialogue.
Believe it or not though, I don’t want a sad fate for Hook or for him to experience unrequited love. I’d rather his relationship not progress with Emma to the point of being in love, since I’d rather he just cool it with Emma when Neal returns. Instead, I’d rather that Hook find himself another woman, like maybe a blonde, feisty fairy named Tinkerbelle or even an adventurous mermaid like Ariel (but only if Eric is gay or dead).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Considering this would be a recent interview, I’m guessing it’s an indication of the type of story they’ve been telling in the eps they’re up to shooting now, otherwise it wouldn’t have been relevant for him to mention it at all. (That “Emma loves him” bit might have made me a little bit happy, because present tense, baby!)
I know I’ve said this before, but if they want to give Hook some character growth through this NL arc, they’ll be having him examine his past actions and consider how that should affect his present (and future) actions. Killian Jones of the past would proudly boast, “I’ve had many a man’s wife.” Killian Jones who has learned from his past could well say, “I’ve had more than enough women who were loved by another man, and I’m not gonna do it again.”
And I’m not just saying this stuff as a SF shipper, I’m also saying it as a fan of Hook, who acknowledges that he doesn’t exactly have a pristine track record, and he’s probably not that proud of all of his past actions, and I’d like to see him be happy within himself. Being stuck in a cycle of living in a way that you know isn’t productive, happy and healthy, it’ll eat away at you, and he’s been around for a few centuries, which is a long time to have regrets eating away at you. So I could see it if they created this “triangle” situation because now is the time when he’s gonna be tempted to do the same old thing, but is finally gonna get the inspiration he needs to get his arse kicked out of that usual cycle he’s entrenched in. Something in his usual cycle needs to change, and that something could well be being slapped in the face with how his actions can hurt someone he genuinely cares for in Nealfire. Any other time he’s taken a woman, it’s been with no concern for how his actions might affect the other man in that woman’s life. But this time, the other man is Bae, who Hook genuinely cares for. Last time he took another man’s wife, it also involved Bae, and it hurt Bae, but he didn’t see or appreciate that until many years later, at which point he regretted causing the hurt.
The alternative way they could take the story would have him just hurting Bae all over again in a very similar way, but where’s the story in that? Where’s the character growth? So I’m glad that Colin mentioned Hook’s emotions regarding Bae in that article, because more than anything, it gives me hope that they’ve got some stuff in store where we’re gonna get a better look inside Hook’s head and heart, and as a Hooker, that’s what I’m dying to see.
The last part where he’s talking about Emma and Hook being similar, that’s the stuff that makes me think they’d be valuable friends for each other. I was listening to a podcast earlier, and someone pointed out that since losing the friendship she had with Mary Margaret, who turned out to be her mother so their relationship drastically changed, Emma has no close friends. She could do with a close friend who gets her, like Hook does.
I’d rather his relationship not progress with Emma to the point of being in love, since I’d rather he just cool it with Emma when Neal returns.
That’s what I’m imagining. I think his telling Emma that perhaps he would like to get to know her better was genuine, and I think he’s willing to open up to her in a genuine way, and I think they very well could start to develop a closer bond without him falling in love before Neal shows up. Maybe Hook would be on the brink, but he’s still be a bit unsure of how exactly he’d like their relationship to progress, and the Neal reality check will cause him to see the situation more clearly.
The topic ‘Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire’ is closed to new replies.