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October 11, 2013 at 12:40 pm #215191RumplesGirlKeymaster
Yes I would prefer that Hook realizes he’s not in love with Emma at all but rather has misinterpreted his own feelings. I just don’t want him making some sort of huge sacrifice and letting Emma and Neal be together because it implies that he’s waiting in the wings for her and that Neal and Emma are only together for the moment to see if they can make things work. I’d actually rather Emma be with Hook and explore that and have Neal waiting than vice versa.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 11, 2013 at 12:47 pm #215192PheeParticipantHe hasn’t been emotionally open with many women in his life. We have no idea about his pre-Milah days, but I doubt he’s opened up to any other woman since Milah. So if he’s feeling something genuine for a woman for the first time in a couple hundred years, it’d be believable that he’s a bit confused and has to actually figure out what it is he’s really feeling, and maybe he initially misinterprets what’s going on.
But yes, whoever they put Emma with, I hope it’s done in a conclusive way, so the other ship isn’t left hanging on with false hope.
October 11, 2013 at 1:22 pm #215194SlurpeezParticipantConsidering this would be a recent interview, I’m guessing it’s an indication of the type of story they’ve been telling in the eps they’re up to shooting now, otherwise it wouldn’t have been relevant for him to mention it at all. (That “Emma loves him” bit might have made me a little bit happy, because present tense, baby!)
Yes, I’m excited by that, too! If Colin O’Donoghue, who plays the Captain himself, can admit that Emma loves Neal then why do CS fans try and deny it? “Emma loves him [Neal], you know” in the present day, as does Hook! *happy dance*
I know I’ve said this before, but if they want to give Hook some character growth through this NL arc, they’ll be having him examine his past actions and consider how that should affect his present (and future) actions. Killian Jones of the past would proudly boast, “I’ve had many a man’s wife.” Killian Jones who has learned from his past could well say, “I’ve had more than enough women who were loved by another man, and I’m not gonna do it again.”
I agree! If Hook indeed is changing for the better, he needs to NOT come between Neal and Emma before they have a chance to work things out. At least give Emma the time and space she news
And I’m not just saying this stuff as a SF shipper, I’m also saying it as a fan of Hook, who acknowledges that he doesn’t exactly have a pristine track record, and he’s probably not that proud of all of his past actions, and I’d like to see him be happy within himself. Being stuck in a cycle of living in a way that you know isn’t productive, happy and healthy, it’ll eat away at you, and he’s been around for a few centuries, which is a long time to have regrets eating away at you. So I could see it if they created this “triangle” situation because now is the time when he’s gonna be tempted to do the same old thing, but is finally gonna get the inspiration he needs to get his arse kicked out of that usual cycle he’s entrenched in. Something in his usual cycle needs to change, and that something could well be being slapped in the face with how his actions can hurt someone he genuinely cares for in Nealfire. Any other time he’s taken a woman, it’s been with no concern for how his actions might affect the other man in that woman’s life. But this time, the other man is Bae, who Hook genuinely cares for. Last time he took another man’s wife, it also involved Bae, and it hurt Bae, but he didn’t see or appreciate that until many years later, at which point he regretted causing the hurt.
I agree with everything you wrote. But, I hope the writers don’t do a cliché love triangle, because that would put Hook right back a square one. Hook already whisked away the most important woman in Bae’s life, his mom. He doesn’t need to repeat that same mistake by trying to compete for Bae’s love, Emma. The best thing that Hook could do to give Bae back his family is to honorably step aside, IMO, and to find love with another woman (one who isn’t linked to Neal).
However, I fear that Killian’s personal growth could come at a personal sacrifice, especially if he DOES love Emma. It could be like in A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens in which Sydney Carton, an English barrister endeavors to redeem his mis-spent life out of his unrequited love for the wife of Charles Darnay, a French nobleman. Sydney, who bears a striking resemblance to Charles, takes his place as a prisoner of the French Revolution, allowing Charles to escape with his wife, Lucie, who happens to have golden hair, like Emma does. Like Sydney, Killian might see his sacrifice for Neal as being a way toward redeeming himself for having helped destroyed Bae’s family the first time around.
The last part where he’s talking about Emma and Hook being similar, that’s the stuff that makes me think they’d be valuable friends for each other. I was listening to a podcast earlier, and someone pointed out that since losing the friendship she had with Mary Margaret, who turned out to be her mother so their relationship drastically changed, Emma has no close friends. She could do with a close friend who gets her, like Hook does.
I agree that Hook and Emma could forge a close bond that could be platonic. Even if Hook loves Emma deep down, I don’t think we’re going to see them locking lips anytime soon, since Emma clearly is thinking about romance. She is set on finding her son.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
October 11, 2013 at 6:01 pm #215245RumplesGirlKeymasterSo I’m alone here. lol.
I think from a writing and marketing stand point, they have to play out the CS stuff to the satisfaction (semi-satisfaction) of the CSers, meaning that Emma and Hook have to be in a relationship for some length of time. A and E will literally never hear the end of it if they don’t let the ship out of the harbor. Same with SF. Which ever comes first (Neal and Emma work things out or Hook and Emma try for a thing) isn’t end game. Or that’s how I see their drama writing gong.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 11, 2013 at 7:34 pm #215255SlurpeezParticipantOctober 11, 2013 at 8:34 pm #215259JosephineParticipantI agree with everything you wrote. But, I hope the writers don’t do a cliché love triangle, because that would put Hook right back a square one. Hook already away the most important woman in Bae’s life, his mom. He doesn’t need to repeat that same mistake by trying to compete for Bae’s love, Emma. The best thing that Hook could do to give Bae back his family is to honorably step aside, IMO, and to find love with another woman (one who isn’t linked to Neal). However, I fear that Killian’s personal growth could come at a personal sacrifice, especially if he DOES love Emma. It could be like in A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens in which Sydney Carton, an English barrister endeavors to redeem his mis-spent life out of his unrequited love for the wife of Charles Darnay, a French nobleman. Sydney, who bears a striking resemblance to Charles, takes his place as a prisoner of the French Revolution, allowing Charles to escape with his wife, Lucie, who happens to have golden hair, like Emma does. Like Sydney, Killian might see his sacrifice for Neal as being a way toward redeeming himself for having helped destroyed Bae’s family the first time around.
Yes, yes, yes. I’ve been saying for months that Hook could end up being a Sydney Carton character, much like Severus Snape was in Harry Potter. If I were writing the show, that’s what I would do. In the original, Hook doesn’t survive his final encounter against Peter Pan, although I know they changed it in the Disney version. I could imagine them keeping that aspect but change it to him sacrificing himself for a noble cause…saving the others so they can return home safely with Henry. When all is said and done, Henry still is his true love’s grandson, no matter how the shipping aspect turns out. He might see it as a way to do for Milah’s grandson what he never did for Milah’s son. I also think this might be a possibility because I just can’t see what Hook’s future in Storybrooke is. I can’t see him wanting to settle down in a house and take a traditional job. What will his future be? His sacrifice would be heroic.
On a happier note, I thought everyone could do with a reminder of this: SwanFire/Lion King parallel
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
October 11, 2013 at 8:51 pm #215264RumplesGirlKeymasterYes, yes, yes. I’ve been saying for months that Hook could end up being a Sydney Carton character, much like Severus Snape was in Harry Potter. If I were writing the show, that’s what I would do. In the original, Hook doesn’t survive his final encounter against Peter Pan, although I know they changed it in the Disney version. I could imagine them keeping that aspect but change it to him sacrificing himself for a noble cause…saving the others so they can return home safely with Henry. When all is said and done, Henry still is his true love’s grandson, no matter how the shipping aspect turns out. He might see it as a way to do for Milah’s grandson what he never did for Milah’s son. I also think this might be a possibility because I just can’t see what Hook’s future in Storybrooke is. I can’t see him wanting to settle down in a house and take a traditional job. What will his future be? His sacrifice would be heroic.
I really and truly doubt that Hook would ever die. I know it might make sense but marketing being what it is, and A and E loving their characters the way the do….plus, I want everyone to have a happy ending. That includes Hook. I want him sailing the sea…maybe with a certain mermaid. Or a pixie. Or an evil queen.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 11, 2013 at 9:00 pm #215268JosephineParticipantI’m torn, RG, because the shipper in me does want Hook happy and sailing on the Jolly Roger into the sunset. (Yes, I actually admitted that). Then a part of me loves a great story and thinks having Hook channel Sydney Carton would be brilliant storytelling. It will be interesting to see where it goes.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
October 11, 2013 at 9:35 pm #215271RumplesGirlKeymasterMy main problem with Hook dying is the same when people say they want Neal to die–the idea that obstacle can just be removed. It’s like saying “if Hook/Neal died, then Emma and Neal/Hook could be together no problem!” I don’t that. I want obstacles. I want obstacles that they overcome together that way it is proof to both the “yays” and the “nays” that they always find their way back to each other, through everything. That’s the romantic story for me. If we could just delete the obstacles without having to really face them then they aren’t really obstacles. They’re just annoyances.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 11, 2013 at 9:43 pm #215272SlurpeezParticipantMy main problem with Hook dying is the same when people say they want Neal to die–the idea that obstacle can just be removed. It’s like saying “if Hook/Neal died, then Emma and Neal/Hook could be together no problem!” I don’t that. I want obstacles. I want obstacles that they overcome together that way it is proof to both the “yays” and the “nays” that they always find their way back to each other, through everything. That’s the romantic story for me. If we could just delete the obstacles without having to really face them then they aren’t really obstacles. They’re just annoyances.
So, just to clarify, I do NOT want Hook to be a Sydney Carton type character. I do think it’s a possibility that the writers have considered though, since Emma said to Hook, “If I had to choose dead guy of the year, I’d choose you.” Yet, I don’t want him to die just to get him out of the way. I’m really coming to like Killian more since S3 aired. Like RG said, I’d prefer for Hook to end up with Ariel, Tinkerbelle, for Regina. That way everyone gets to be happy. I just fear that Hook developing a strong, yet unrequited love, could make Hook sacrifice himself. Like Jo said, that would be powerful storytelling (albeit wildly unpopular). Daniel said in the podcast that he can’t shake the feeling someone will die, and I don’t think that person will be Charming.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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