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I honestly don’t know if there’s a Neal thread anywhere although I thought there was one started early in season two when MRJ was first cast in the role that went up through Tallahassee. Someone refresh my memory here…was that a Neal thread or a SwanFire thread?!
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#MoreBOOMLessGloomHi guys – just a quick question – maybe you can help so I don’t have to thumb through threads…Is there a Neal discussion thread? Like the Hook one? That’s just about Neal? Since the hiatus is nearing it’s end – THANKFULLY!!! – I’m ‘prepping’ for 3B by trying to find good theories and analyses about the characters I understand less about than others, maybe a little less as they’re related to a particular ‘ship. I admit – Neal is my enigma. But I he’s not for you and I look at you guys as my go-to Neal experts. Your ‘BOOM’ photo – actually all of the EF photos of Neal – and Ginny’s pic of the day have got me wanting to know more! Your penguin parade was pretty hilarious too.
Thanks.There are a few spec threads about who Neal was (before confirmation that he was Baelfire)…the others are the pre-SwanFire thread (we had two before this one, I think)
As far as a character analysis thread goes, I don’t believe we have one solely for Nealfire.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I honestly don’t know if there’s a Neal thread anywhere although I thought there was one started early in season two when MRJ was first cast in the role that went up through Tallahassee. Someone refresh my memory here…was that a Neal thread or a SwanFire thread?!
I don’t think there’s a current Neal-specific thread, though there was one dedicated to figuring out who MRJ could be playing back when “Broken” first showed a mysterious New Yorker receiving a postcard.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Discussion in chat, in relation to the “new” spoilers (that were actually posted in January), got me thinking.
Emma was tied to the first Curse because it was essentially her essence that was associated with the Curse, which made her the Saviour, able to break the Curse.
If Zelena plans to use Emma’s blood somehow to enact this new Curse, then I’d think the same rules would apply to her being the Saviour. Her TLK could break the Curse, but so could her death.
So perhaps Zelena knows that no one would want to kill Emma, not even Regina, who totally intended to kill baby Emma before the Curse hit, but she’s accepted Emma now, and wouldn’t kill her because Henry loves her. So if the same rules are in place this time, there’s no risk of Zelena’s Curse being broken by Emma’s death.
Problem is, Emma could also break the Curse with TLK. Maybe that’s part of why Hook tried it, thinking that if it worked, not only would he get to be with Emma, but the whole Curse would be broken as well.
Anyway, if Emma sharing TLK with someone will break the Curse, can’t be Henry again because Emma’s kissed him lots now, and she’s had forehead kisses from her parents too, so that just leaves her present day romantic TLK as the one thing that could break Zelena’s Curse.
Zelena doesn’t want that. Zelena doesn’t want Emma to be hanging out with the guy who could give her TLK. Zelena will know that that person is Neal, because Zelena’s got info out of Rumple, and we know he knows what’s up with SF. If she’s got his dagger, she can ask him who Emma’s TL is, and can force him to answer truthfully.
So Zelena plots to keep Neal away from Emma. Zelena would no doubt think that the best way to achieve that would be to kill Neal, but like I said, she’s hanging out with Rumple, and she may currently have his dagger, but girlfriend isn’t stupid, and the new spoiler suggests that she knew Rumple back in the day and he taught her, so she knows he’s serious business, and she knows that if she kills his son, he WILL find a way to destroy her, dagger control or no. So instead, she kidnaps Neal, and him and his Papa have both been held prisoner which is why neither have been seen out and about on set.
Having been chilling in Zelena’s dungeon, Neal is made aware of the fact that Walsh is really one of Zelena’s minions. It’s like a flip of the Tamara situation, where Emma suspected the fiancee, but Neal was oblivious. Emma will eventually accept Walsh’s proposal. Maybe there’ll be some magical whatever that Zelena rigs so that after Emma kisses Walsh at their wedding, a SF TLK wouldn’t even be possible, even if Neal did manage to escape. Knowing this makes Neal all the more determined to escape.
Having all but confirmed that Neal is Emma’s TL, and that if she marries Walsh, she’ll never get to be with her TL, that’s even more reason why Neal won’t die and SF will be reunited, because I really can’t see them robbing TL Incarnate of her romantic TL. That would be beyond depressing.
So in the finale, at Emma and Walsh’s wedding, “If anyone knows of any reason why these two should not be joined in marriage, speak now or forever hold your peace.” Neal, who has managed to escape from Zelena and get himself to the wedding venue: *bursts in like the BAMF he is* “He’s working for the Wicked Witch!” Crap hits the fan, maybe Walsh tries to grab Emma to kiss her and she punches him in the face instead, then Walsh sprouts his wings, and the goodies are all trying to take him out, and in the midst of the madness, Neal gets to Emma, they kiss, and the Curse breaks.
This is just rambling at the moment, but the more I rambled, the more I thought maybe it has headcanon potential.
@Phee – That is one nifty head-canon you’ve got there. I’ve likewise been thinking that the reason Zelena has permitted Hook and Walsh to pursue Emma is to distract her from Neal and that Zelena is purposefully keeping Neal out of the way from Emma.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’m wary of starting a Neal thread, because at this point, there’s just too much potential for headaches and controversy. I”m not really in favor of this culture of ships but I don’t have to moderate either. I’m not in favor of things that make the moderators lives harder.
I would suggest Jenna that you start with what the writers have said about who this character is:
Watch the “Who is Baelfire” special by A&E. Read the interviews with the actor who plays him.
Adam says MRJ understands his character better than anyone–and there are several interviews where he talks about his character.
Read the Facebook untold story about Bae.
Maybe someone can find links, and we can add them to the first page of the thread for reference for others who have questions as to who Neal is and what he’s about.
There’s a lot of fan spin out there, and those of us who love Bae might come off like we’re exaggerating his good qualities, but then, to my point of view people are constantly exaggerating his negative qualities too in the same ways, and for mostly the same reasons as that happens to Henry or Snow when they make Regina sad.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Watch the “Who is Baelfire” special by A&E. Read the interviews with the actor who plays him.
Here is that special short from A&E:
Once Upon a Time – Who is Baelfire?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9KzRHkVP-c
Also, I recommend the official ABC podcasts for “Broken,” “Tallahassee,” “Manhattan,” and “Second Start to the Right” to get Adam and Eddy’s take on Neal.
Plus, MRJ has given several excellent interviews about Neal/Baelfire.
Once Upon a Fan – A Drifter’s Dream (interview with MRJ) (April 2013)
Entertainment Tonight – Interview with MRJ (May 2013)
TV Line – Interview with MRJ (May 2013)
Buddy TV – Interview with MRJ (May 2013)
Hollywood Reporter – Interview with MRJ (May 2013)
Entertainment Weekly – Interview with MRJ (May 2013)
Hit-Fix – Interview with MRJ (May 2013)
Examiner – Interview with MRJ (Oct. 2013)
KSiteTV – Interview with MRJ (Oct. 2013)
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Wow, that sounds so possible. Everything you said, just. WOW.
Also, another Sf thread before this one was made was titled “What I Really Want Is You”… could contain more Neal posts, but I think that was started before Neal=Bae was confirmed. This one was started after SSTR.
Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
Discussion in chat, in relation to the “new” spoilers (that were actually posted in January), got me thinking.
Emma was tied to the first Curse because it was essentially her essence that was associated with the Curse, which made her the Saviour, able to break the Curse.
If Zelena plans to use Emma’s blood somehow to enact this new Curse, then I’d think the same rules would apply to her being the Saviour. Her TLK could break the Curse, but so could her death.
So perhaps Zelena knows that no one would want to kill Emma, not even Regina, who totally intended to kill baby Emma before the Curse hit, but she’s accepted Emma now, and wouldn’t kill her because Henry loves her. So if the same rules are in place this time, there’s no risk of Zelena’s Curse being broken by Emma’s death.
Problem is, Emma could also break the Curse with TLK. Maybe that’s part of why Hook tried it, thinking that if it worked, not only would he get to be with Emma, but the whole Curse would be broken as well.
Anyway, if Emma sharing TLK with someone will break the Curse, can’t be Henry again because Emma’s kissed him lots now, and she’s had forehead kisses from her parents too, so that just leaves her present day romantic TLK as the one thing that could break Zelena’s Curse.
Zelena doesn’t want that. Zelena doesn’t want Emma to be hanging out with the guy who could give her TLK. Zelena will know that that person is Neal, because Zelena’s got info out of Rumple, and we know he knows what’s up with SF. If she’s got his dagger, she can ask him who Emma’s TL is, and can force him to answer truthfully.
So Zelena plots to keep Neal away from Emma. Zelena would no doubt think that the best way to achieve that would be to kill Neal, but like I said, she’s hanging out with Rumple, and she may currently have his dagger, but girlfriend isn’t stupid, and the new spoiler suggests that she knew Rumple back in the day and he taught her, so she knows he’s serious business, and she knows that if she kills his son, he WILL find a way to destroy her, dagger control or no. So instead, she kidnaps Neal, and him and his Papa have both been held prisoner which is why neither have been seen out and about on set.
Having been chilling in Zelena’s dungeon, Neal is made aware of the fact that Walsh is really one of Zelena’s minions. It’s like a flip of the Tamara situation, where Emma suspected the fiancee, but Neal was oblivious. Emma will eventually accept Walsh’s proposal. Maybe there’ll be some magical whatever that Zelena rigs so that after Emma kisses Walsh at their wedding, a SF TLK wouldn’t even be possible, even if Neal did manage to escape. Knowing this makes Neal all the more determined to escape.
Having all but confirmed that Neal is Emma’s TL, and that if she marries Walsh, she’ll never get to be with her TL, that’s even more reason why Neal won’t die and SF will be reunited, because I really can’t see them robbing TL Incarnate of her romantic TL. That would be beyond depressing.
So in the finale, at Emma and Walsh’s wedding, “If anyone knows of any reason why these two should not be joined in marriage, speak now or forever hold your peace.” Neal, who has managed to escape from Zelena and get himself to the wedding venue: *bursts in like the BAMF he is* “He’s working for the Wicked Witch!” Crap hits the fan, maybe Walsh tries to grab Emma to kiss her and she punches him in the face instead, then Walsh sprouts his wings, and the goodies are all trying to take him out, and in the midst of the madness, Neal gets to Emma, they kiss, and the Curse breaks.
This is just rambling at the moment, but the more I rambled, the more I thought maybe it has headcanon potential.
[quote=246463] @Phee – That is one nifty head-canon you’ve got there. I’ve likewise been thinking that the reason Zelena has permitted Hook and Walsh to pursue Emma is to distract her from Neal and that Zelena is purposefully keeping Neal out of the way from Emma. [/quote]
I can definitely see this playing out
I’m going to go a step further and say that it’s possible that Neal escapes and gets to Emma I can see the possibility of Zelena trying to kill them both to keep her curse from being broken by their TLK. I can see the possibility of a self sacrifice from certain pirate happening to save them both from Zelena in order to break her curse. Which would redeem one character and make him a hero at the same time it would finish up his storyline and allow SwanFire to be finally be together and have their TLK which breaks Zelena’s curse and with the curse being broken it now sets up for season 4 by everyone including Emma & Henry going back to the Enchanted Forest.
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