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I mean, Emma didn’t fully confess her love for Henry until he was lying there seemingly dead, but do we doubt that she loves Henry, just because it took that situation for her to admit it?
In both the mine scene and the portal scene, Emma didn’t have her composure to be able to keep her walls up, so some truth and longing leaked out. Now that she’s composed and conscious again, the walls are back up and she can’t say those same words again right now.
Dang, I didn’t go there after seeing the sneak peek. I’d like to think though, that if Neal was hoping to use Roland to lure the Shadow in, he’d have some sorta plan where he’s gonna step up again, like with the Darlings, but this time he can be all, “Remember me? You want me back, come get me.”
[adrotate group="5"]I mean, Emma didn’t fully confess her love for Henry until he was lying there seemingly dead, but do we doubt that she loves Henry, just because it took that situation for her to admit it? In both the mine scene and the portal scene, Emma didn’t have her composure to be able to keep her walls up, so some truth and longing leaked out. Now that she’s composed and conscious again, the walls are back up and she can’t say those same words again right now.
I hear what you’re saying and I’m going to keep it in mind.
I think I’ll just stay out of here for a bit. I don’t want to bring everyone down. But that panel just bummed me out like whoa. I’m retreating to my OTP where it’s safe and warm and they’re TL and it’s proven and done.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"One final comment before I go fall into bed, (because it’s 6am and the freaking panel means I didn’t sleep at all last night). Hopefully someone will get the full panel online, but from memory, didn’t JMo talk about how Emma has to really consider her past in a different light now? I was scribbling notes during the panel and have, “she has to re-understand her own history.” Her previous understanding of her history, and her relationship with Neal, was pretty negative, so if she’s gonna re-examine and re-evaluate it all, I’d say the only way for SF to progress is up.
With the, “said in the heat of the moment” thing, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t the truth. They’ve used the term, “the truth comes out” in interviews previously. She also told Snow that the whole “mom” thing was said when they thought they were gonna die. That doesn’t mean that deep inside, she doesn’t know that Snow is her mother, and Charming is her father, it’s just that it took that life and death situation to force the words out of her. Same deal with saying “I love you,” to Neal. That emotion was buried in her, the sentiment wasn’t fake in either case, it just took an extreme situation for her to be able to verbalise it.
Agreed. Her not choosing to say it everyday doesn’t make it not true; because it’s the truth that Snow is her mother. She has all these other things and orphan/abandonment emotions and issues she’s dealing with and still has to sift through, especially on the island. But in that moment, when they all thought they were going to die, nothing else mattered. NOTHING. There was no tomorrow. There was no time to sift through anything. The only thing that mattered is that they were her parents and she found them. Sure she doesn’t choose to say it. But it’s a choice. It’s not because she doesn’t love them. Those thoughts she is still dealing with are stronger now perhaps more than ever.
Just like Neal. No wound she ever had from Neal mattered in that moment. None if it did. To me, that is powerful. To look past the wounds and realize in that moment what is really important. It’s not the pain. It’s the love, and that when you’re faced with death, who cares about the bitterness and the unforgiveness. You don’t have tomorrow. It’s quite beautiful.
Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
I think that he will search for magic and find his fathers gold threads or spinning self one (would love that). Then he after he has magic in a form he use the mirror in the great hall to create a portal, but to get through it he takes his blood as some kind of compass to lead him to his son, who is in NL. I think this is possibile cause EF and NL are magical lands and Rumple couldn’t do something like that cause he wanted to find in a non magical land. I thought maybe Rumple tried that once but his son is running away from him since a while (Rumple said somethink like that to Henry in Manhattan, that always bothered me)
His emotion about Emma, Henry will help him as a trigger for magic to achieve it. Maybe he uses also the swan keychan as a sort of compass. (Hopefully, he have it with him)
I think that he also takes the old walking stick of his father with him through the portal, so that in the end he will get to NL, but not to Henry but to his father (Blood magic goes father/son, the question is in which direction. He will be surprised that he there is well and I think that will give some good scene when both of them sharing some father/son time together. Yelling, talking, searching… (Maybe in the next episode talking about family trees…)
While Emma do the same with her wounded daddy.Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
I found the whole panel online and it was very consistent with what I already thought.
About the kiss, I think it is more likely a flashback sequence than present day, but NL does mess with people’s heads so who knows. Hook may be working overtime but J.Mo said it was complicated. I felt like Eddy changed the subject to Regina rather quickly too. I see only good things in having Neal needing to win Emma over, because that gives the audience a chance to see him being brave, patient, kind and see what tugs at Emma’s heart about him. Meanwhile, it gives Hook time to clear his head and realize there are other fish in the sea more suited to and interested in him, without it playing out like he’s giving up as opposed to better understanding himself and what he really wants to be.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Alright. I’ve calmed down a wee bit. lol. I apologize for my hysterics earlier. I’ve never shipped anything that hasn’t sailed so the idea that I’m wrong about this show makes me nutty.
I’ve had some time to reflect and rewatch the panel. I think my first go around, the live watching, was that it came across (to me) as if they were saying, “Emma only told Neal she loved him because he was dying and thus gave him a sort of parting gift.” Which is why I thought they basically killed SF right then and there. Now that I’ve had some time to think about it and watch it again, I agree with what Phee was attempting to me all along: just because it was in the heat of the moment, doesn’t mean it’s not true. It’s called passion. Right then there, confronted with the idea of him dying, you tell the person how you feel. It’s like with Rumple and Belle (oh OTP. I love you). “Sweetheart, I’m dying…” so what does he do: he has to tell her how he feels about her and the kind of woman she is. Emma will not let Neal die without him knowing that she has always loved him and will always love him.
As for the kiss I think it’s going to play out this way: in a flashback we see Swanfire kissing and in the present day we may see an almost CS kiss or a full blown CS kiss (with Neal stumbling into it, cause TV drama). I think we’re going to have a full blown triangle on our hands by the second half of this season and no resolution until 322. Hold tight. Bumpy seas ahead.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I found the whole panel online and it was very consistent with what I already thought.
I agree. Having finally gotten to watch the entire NY CC panel, I’m not worried about the future potential of SF. I think it was spot-on of E&A to say Emma isn’t ready to run straight into Neal’s arms when he returns (which is exactly what we’ve all been saying several pages back). That would be highly unrealistic and almost ring untrue. Emma declared her love to Neal precisely because her walls came crumbling down. The only other times we’ve seen Emma that vulnerable (outside of NL) are when Henry nearly died and when she and her parents nearly died. Yet, it’s in moments of facing the end that we think back on our lives and our loved ones. Emma loves Neal! Hold onto that people. Her feelings haven’t changed for him. They’re just buried deep in her heart. While Neal has a lot of making up to do, Neal already holds the key to Emma’s heart. All he has to do is unlock it. That is where Neal’s return starts an epic, long journey of Neal atoning and Emma learning to forgive him and her parents.
Despite everything, Emma really loves her family: Henry, Neal, Snow, David! She’s just got a LOT of emotional baggage to work through right now. First, she has Henry to worry about, and now on top of that, Peter Pan is playing mind games with her. Being in NL is causing Emma to feel like a lost little girl who was unwanted and unloved. Emma has yet to fully forgive her parents on an emotional level for having let her grow up without them. Yet, Emma working to save Henry will help Emma come to terms with her own abandonment issues, and in so doing, Emma is going to learn to forgive and let go of the past.
J-Mo has said in recent interviews that Emma’s sole focus is on saving her son (as it should be). I went back to an interview that Jennifer Morrison gave about Emma being in Neverland:
“I’ve sort of approached it as Neverland has made Emma about ten years old, in terms of her emotional capacity. It sort of takes you back to your most prevalent time of damage in your life, and you kind of go back to that place and operate from that emotional level. So that’s what I’ve sort of done with Emma for the season so far, which is giving the opportunity to see so much more of her. She’s been so closed off and hardened to life because of what she’d been through that there was only so far certain emotions could be pushed with her, and now not only has she been through a tremendous amount, and she thinks she’s lost Neal, and all she’s concerned about is trying to save Henry’s life, and her whole family’s being threatened on this island…and all of these things. She’s also in a land where she can’t really have her guard up, so she’s highly emotional and highly volatile. Everything’s heightened for her…She’s sort of emoting as she realizes things. Everything is sort of very in the present for her from this point on in Neverland, for her emotionally. There’s not as much holding back or hiding things or covering her feelings. She sort of has lost her capacity to do that in Neverland, so everything is sort of raw and present for her.” source: examiner
Call me crazy, but it doesn’t sound to me like Emma is emotionally very stable right now. She’s got the emotional make-up of a 10-year-old in Neverland (Jennifer’s words). Emma is vulnerable, she feels like an orphan, she’s missing Neal, and all she can think about is getting her son back. To top it all off, now Emma is going to have to worry about actualy becoming an orphan too, if she is to believe PP’s threat. That means she could potentially have to save her dad and maybe her mother. Emma doesn’t have the time or the energy to even stop and clean herself in a river, let alone start up a new romance.
So, while Jennifer has said that Killian continues to surprise her by stepping up to the plate to help locate Henry, I think that their dynamic right now is that of allies against a common enemy: Peter Pan. Emma relies on Hook’s insider knowledge of the island. Yet, I think that Hook won’t just continue to surprise Emma; I think he will surprise everyone, including David when Hook helps save his life.
Yes, Jennifer Morrison said, “It’s always nice when you get to kiss someone” but we don’t know the context of that scene. Is it in a flashback? Is it present-day? Is it even a romantic kiss?
I think as always, J-Mo, Eddy and Adam are allowing people to form their own conclusions. Yes, that is what I’m doing, but looking at the bigger picture, I don’t get the impression of a full-fledged love triangle happening just yet.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Also, let’s keep in mind this recent J-Mo interview:
Ultimately, it is Henry that is Emma’s top priority in Neverland, and a love life is not on the list of Emma’s priorities at this time. “She’s in an interesting situation in Neverland, because really, all she cares about is getting her son back,” Morrison says. “Ultimately, that is the forethought in her mind, is ‘how do I save Henry’ and ‘how do I make sure that he’s okay?’ And then what’s coming around that is that she hasn’t had a time to deal with what she believes is Neal’s death. She’s not processing the idea of romance when her son’s life is in danger. There are a lot of different things coming at her while she’s trying to stay focused on getting to Henry. There will definitely be some interesting ups and downs,” she hints. Source: Ksite
So, according to J-Mo: 1) Emma’s only concern right now is Henry 2) Emma still has yet to process her grief over losing Neal and 3) Emma has no time for romance whatsoever while Henry’s life is in jeopardy. Deep breaths.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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