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And pretty much exactly the same thing was said at NYCC too…
Matt: Hook’s been flirting up a storm. I know Emma’s dealing with Neal’s loss, I know Emma’s focused on finding Henry. Are we gonna see any other flirting, any other developments on that Hook and Emma front?
JMo: Ummm….it’s complicated. Hook has definitely been surprising Emma.
Eddy: He’s working overtime for her. Those pirate charms.
JMo: But Emma’s obviously just focused on trying to get Henry. She’s really not wanting to be distracted from the fact that she wants to do whatever it takes to save Henry and to have him back in her life. So I think there’s a lot coming at her that’s she’s not paying close attention to, but is pleasantly surprised by how he does seem to really be working to help, that he’s genuinely invested. And ya know we’re in a land where everything makes no sense to Emma, once again, and she’s learning as she goes as always, and he’s someone who lived there for a long time and can be a true help, and has proven himself to be a true help.
And then the next part…
Matt: Is there any reason that once Neal ultimately makes his way to NL, that it’s not just some obstacle free, happy reunion, and there’s actually no triangle to play here?
Adam: If and when Neal and Emma find each other again, it’s not as simple as running into each other’s arms. There is a very complicated history between those two.
Eddy: There are things you say to somebody as they’re about to die and fall through a portal. And then there are things you say when things have calmed down and you actually have a chance to talk.
Adam: And you have to realise what really came before in that relationship and all that stuff will have to be dealt with.
JMo: Yeah it doesn’t eliminate 10 years of her being heartbroken over him and feeling like he had rejected her. And not just rejected her but left her to be, set her up to be arrested. All the things she thinks happened are deeply, deeply wounding, and so even though she now knows that they’re not true, she spent 10 years believing them, so she has to sort of re-understand her own history a little bit.
My interpretation of that…
Q: So do we really even need a love triangle to create roadblock dramas for Neal and Emma to sort their stuff out?
A: Nope, there’s already plenty of obstacles and drama for those two, and we’re gonna delve right into all that stuff that needs to be resolved between them.Taking everything that was said about both potential relationships into consideration, IMO it sounds like Hook might be trying to impress, but Emma’s not exactly receptive to romance right now, but in dealing with and re-evaluating her past, she’ll inevitably be confronted with re-evaluating her past with Neal. And I don’t see anything in any of that to really be worried about, in fact, it makes me pretty optimistic.
I know they’ve said that we won’t be getting any more in depth Emma flashbacks yet, but I think we will be getting Neal flashbacks, and at least one of those might feature him with Emma, especially if they’re gonna be dealing with their past in the present day. So there’s every chance that this infamous kiss could be in flashback. It would actually probably make more sense if it is, otherwise JMo just gave away a big spoiler about the present day storyline, and I dunno that she’d do that, but mentioning a SF flashback kiss, that’s stuff we already know happened, so it’s not so spoilery. Time will tell, but I’m not too stressed over that kiss right now. Even if it does happen in present day, as has been said repeatedly, NL is messing with Emma’s head, so if she’s kissing either guy in present day, I dunno that it could be evidence of anything conclusive for either ship.
[adrotate group="5"]@Phee = Thanks for taking the time to type that transcript. You said everything and more that I wanted to say. And again, I agree! *majors props*
Also, keep in mind what MRJ said recently in an interview:
“Neal obviously has some experience in Neverland and it’s not a great neighborhood, but he knows how to operate there. Should he find himself in Neverland, those skills could be useful in terms of fighting the good fight, finding the solution.”
We have seen before that the power of true love knows no bounds on Once Upon A Time. From simply waking Snow White (Ginnifer Goodwin) from a small curse, to breaking Regina’s (Lana Parrilla) Storybrooke-wide curse, it has brought people back to each other and helped them remember who they are– in the most literal sense. Raymond-James shared that Neal is “under no illusions that things between he and the woman that he loves are perfect,” but will Neal’s love be capable of bringing Emma (Jennifer Morrison) after she loses bits of herself, reverting back to her basest fears and emotions from childhood in Neverland? The answer that the show delivers may be the truest way to define their relationship.
“I can say, from Neal’s perspective, that he feels Emma is his one true love,” Raymond-James said.
“I think, now more than ever, he realizes that there’s work to be done and is prepared to do whatever work is necessary because I’ve had an opportunity to sort of touch what Neal feels could be his happy ending but I haven’t been able to grasp it yet. It was a fleeting sort of instant. So he’s trying to get back there and whatever he needs to do in order to have that I think he’s willing to do.” Examiner
From MRJ, it sounds like Neal fully realizes that 1) Emma is the love of his life 2) he has a lot of making up to do and that it’s not just going to be an instant reconciliation 3) he is going to do whatever it takes to return to his family for a second chance at his happy ending, which includes Emma.
There is also this really great interview to take into account from Colin O’Donoghue:
“I think the relationship that they have is sort of complicated, because they both care deeply for Baelfire[/Neal],” O’Donoghue said. “Emma loves him, you know, and Hook was willing to give up everything to become his stepfather. And in the first episode you see that he has kept his sword. Remember that he would have had to have kept that sword for hundreds of years, and he says to her — cause she said ‘Obviously you guys were quite close,’ and he said ‘I miss him, too.’ And he was very, very genuine about that. They always saw an element of themselves in each other anyway, I think, from when they went up the beanstalk, but in particular this sort of thing you know is kind of, they’re not that dissimilar.” ExaminerFrom Colin, it sounds like things are “complicated” with Emma even from Hook’s perspective, since 1) Hook knows that Emma loves Neal 2) Hook has fatherly feelings for Neal and 3) Emma and Hook are similar and bot share a connection to Nealfire.
So, I’d say that when Neal returns, the dynamic is going to shift toward him, Emma and Hook all working together for a common purpose: saving Henry. Both Hook and Neal know the island and both men share a potential for a would-be father-son dynamic that even Neal and Rumple currently don’t have in the present. So, any talk of romance is going to come down the road I’d imagine. All three have a common interest in getting to Henry before it’s too late. Hook knows NL inside and out and Neal knows exactly what Pan wants, why, and how PP things. Neal knows how to help Henry once he reaches his son, since Neal was able to leave and grow up, Neal will be able to help convince Henry to come home with him. Both Hook and Neal somehow escaped before, and both could help each other do it again if and when they get Henry.
From NY CC, it sounds like Eddy and Adam may have already written a script which could include a reunion sceen between Emma and Neal:
If and when Neal and Emma find each other again it’s not as simple as running into each other’s arms. As Kitsis says, “There are things you say to people when they are about to die and fall into a portal and then there are the things you say when things calm down and you actually have time to talk.
I think if and when (which is when in Troll-speak) Neal and Emma reunite, it’s going to be very realistic, which is what I’ve actually expected. Neal really hurt Emma, and as J-Mo said at CC, Emma believed the worst, even though it turns out not to have been true. That doesn’t disappear over night just because you love someone. Yet, the potential for Neal to disprove what Emma thought she knew about him and to prove himself to her I believe is going to come as just a big surprise to her as Hook is currently surprising Emma in helping her find Henry. So, again, I don’t see a full-fledged love triangle happening just yet since Emma isn’t thinking about romance with either bloke. She has tunnel vision on getting back her kid, but she really will appreciate both men helping her in that quest.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
All the things she thinks happened
THINKS happened. As in: they didn’t really happen that way!
Thanks for taking the time to type of that transcript. You said everything and more that I wanted to say. And again, I agree! *majors props*
Yeah you’re my hero right now.
There are things you say to people when they are about to die and fall into a portal and then there are the things you say when things calm down and you actually have time to talk.
I think Emma will admit that yes she does love Neal but that they have a lot to work though and there is time for that but right now, it’s all about Henry. When they have time to talk Emma’s not going to say, “No I don’t really love you that was just something that happened that I’d take back if I could.” I think SF will be fully dealt with in the second half. And that’s when they’ll deal with CS as well.
You both are wonderful!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"PS: Happy ONCE day! Here’s hoping Neal is in NL (or very close to it) by the end of this episode!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Glad your feeling better about things RG I agree with Slurpeez and Phee 100%
Here’s hoping we see Neal in Neverland tonight along with RH
Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking StickIn my ponderings this week, I too have thought about the possibility of Neal being in NL at the end of this ep. Everything we’ve seen today just heightens that for me. Granted there probably won’t be a reunion yet… but I think he may be getting there today, even though I thought he wouldn’t for a really long time. In hindsight, how much can they really do with him in his father’s dark castle? Sure I realize that he might have to go different places, scouting out stuff, but now that we’ve seen the clip with Roland the way might be more cut and dry (while still confusing lol)… if so I think that’s good news for our ship.
In fact, it would be kind of cool if Emma kept seeing him in the distance, thinking it’s an NL hallucination or something.
About Sarah Bolger & Jamie Chung’s tweets. I don’t really have an opinion about this yet, but do you guys think they could be going with him? Could that also be a hint that he will arive in NL this ep?
Edit: Ok, I take it spoiler tags no longer work the same as they once did *woops*
Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
I prefer to keep my expectations low and be pleasantly surprised, but so far I feel like A&E talk about CS the way they do Charming dying, like Neal may be too late, and maybe they cannot save Charming. I think with Hook they do intend to do what they are doing with Regina and redeem these two and get them to a Happy Ending, but I do not think either of them will get there that soon, or with Emma or Neal. Maybe together but what happens with ReHo if anything or Hookriel has me not really rooting for HookedQueen so much. I do feel though that Hook will be part of the “family” anyway because Neal is to Hook as Regina is to Snow. Regina never wanted to mother Snow but Snow did want her as a mother at one point. Inversely, Hook deeply loved Milah and also formed a genuine affection for Bae, until Bae found out Hook lied about knowing who he was. It is all complicated but those feeling have not gone away just because it was “300 years ago”. Hook very much is not ready to love anyone yet, and Emma really is not for many reasons a good choice.
Beyond the does she even want him or the same things, beyond how it might strain a reconciliation with the man he once wanted to father, the fact that he has harmed people she cares about, they do come from two different worlds and mindsets. Neal gets both parts of her life that way, having lived in the real world as well as the FTL. They are both hybrids in that sense (as was August but now he is not). I read the writers might have been planning an August/Neal/Emma triangle until they got this NL arc. In that light, Hook makes perfect sense as a foil for Neal but not intended to be the true love in the end. As J.mo said, the situation is complicated.
Some random thoughts I had watching the panel, odd connections, I thought of, but when Emma accuses Neal of playing her, and knowing who she was the whole time, it is the same thing Neal correctly accused Hook of doing. No wonder Neal tried to bluntly say how wrong that assumption was! He knows it is worse to be played than anything and he needed to be completely truthful or Emma would know. And for Neal, the last thing he wanted was to get mixed up with someone that destiny would force him to leave and break her heart that way.
Then, I thought about Emma being unable to look at Henry. I think part of Neal not going back to Emma to explain something or anything is that if he tried, he would have lost the nerve to do what he knew because of his understanding of fate and destiny had to be done. Of all the pirates, in all the enchanted worlds, he just happened to meet the one who ran off with his mom and wanted to kill his Dad? Of course he believes in that stuff, even though he spent a decade in the real world before meeting Emma (rounding off), and even a decade later he still knows you do not mess with that stuff.
Oh but I am excited to see him deal with it, and hope he gets to NL soon, but even if not tonight I think the hopeful end to the story is for the two people who love each other to find a way past the wounds.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Then, I thought about Emma being unable to look at Henry.
This was something I found so startling about the panel yesterday. JMo said that if Emma had held Henry even for a second, she would have kept him. Part of it is that she really is a good mother but another part of it, to me, is that Henry is the ultimate symbol of what she and Neal created out of love. What true love creates, as Rumple might say–flickering lights and all. I’m even more convinced, after that, that Emma was talked into giving up Henry.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love". @alwaysrumbelle its complicated because hook reminds her of neal #tinkerbell #askonce #uglyducklings
— Jennifer Morrison (@jenmorrisonlive) October 14, 2013
JMo literally just tweeted this during the show.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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