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Couple of quotes from the Colin interview that slurpeez posted in another thread…
Question: Is whether Hook is good or evil an ongoing theme this season?
O’Donoghue: He’s a guy who’s battling with whether he wants to continue with his quest for revenge or not and how that’s shaped his whole character over whatever number of hundreds of years. I think it’s very difficult not to be selfish anymore when you’ve been so selfish and so self-absorbed for hundreds of years, so I guess that’s kind of a big struggle he’s going to have this season.
Question: We’ve seen Hook show many different facets before. What do you think the character’s identity is in Season 3?
O’Donoghue: I think the character in Season 3 is definitely, he’s sort of… He’s at conflict with himself really, you know what I mean? He’s desperately trying to figure out exactly who he is now, because I do think he wants to let go of his hatred, his quest for revenge. I think he wants that, he wants to try to do the right thing. But also, within the confines of being Captain Hook, and a pirate, I think that’s a major struggle that he’s having at the minute. Because even if he tries to do some good, there’s always going to be that part of him that is going to want to be selfish and makes sure that he’s protected that kind of way.
This is what we’ve been saying all along about Hook repeating the mistakes of his past or becoming a better person. Hearing Colin talk about how Hook is having a genuine personal struggle this season, and especially seeing him use terms like, “selfish” and “self-absorbed” gives me hope that they’re gonna give him that character development I’ve been wanting to see, for his own sake just as much as for how it’d affect the triangle. If his struggle is gonna involve trying to be less self-absorbed, then surely that must involve him considering how his pursuing Emma would hurt Nealfire.
[adrotate group="5"]That is what worries me really, that Neal ends up in a can’t win situation. If he yells he is acting immature, like a boy, possessive, but if he backs off, then he is not fighting for her. I mean what could he say, to prove he loves her, yet express to her the raw deal that is finding out that the woman you love is mixed up with the guy that your own mother chose too? It is just super-messed up, and while the writers think it is “fun” to create this type of situation, in terms of actual character development it is happening in such a strange way.
We don’t know yet if Emma truly understands the dynamics between Rumple, Neal and Hook, or whether she is thinking all that doesn’t matter now. Neal is dead, and Rumple’s run off and either way, Hook is the one by her side and helping her.
So is it really as it would appear to those who think Hook has truly put his past away, and is just a nice honorable mini-Charming hero now? Or is there a further twist? For example, we have only Hook’s word that dreamshade is poisonous and deadly, and that the Lost Boys use it. Wouldn’t be the first time he’s led allies on to think he is more useful to them then he truly is. What strikes me as the oddest thing though, is why didn’t Tamara and Greg shoot him? After they talk in the diamond minds, they are going to destroy all of “his kind”, and no longer need him, so why let him have the chance? Well if that was their orders, then that’s why they did it, but we know who sent the orders now. Peter Pan, who just happened to have prior dealing with Hook.
I do fully expect Hook to be a hero, but the question is when, and before then what happens? What good is a pirate character if he does not do something piratey?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
That is what worries me really, that Neal ends up in a can’t win situation. If he yells he is acting immature, like a boy, possessive, but if he backs off, then he is not fighting for her. I mean what could he say, to prove he loves her, yet express to her the raw deal that is finding out that the woman you love is mixed up with the guy that your own mother chose too? It is just super-messed up, and while the writers think it is “fun” to create this type of situation, in terms of actual character development it is happening in such a strange way.
I think people who are determined to find fault with Neal will do so even if he makes great strides to prove himself to Emma. Anyway, I have a hope (howbeit ever fanciful) that Neal and Hook will put aside their powers of wooing Emma in favor of helping her find Henry. I want to see some authentic camaraderie rather than a rivalry. I fully admit this may be wishful thinking on my part. I just don’t want a love triangle to be the only reason for showing Hook and Neal scenes together. I want a good amount of on-screen CaptainFire brothers-in-arms against a common enemy. Both survived and escaped NL before. If they combined their knowledge towards a common purpose, they could be a huge asset to Emma and everyone else in saving Henry.
I do fully expect Hook to be a hero, but the question is when, and before then what happens? What good is a pirate character if he does not do something piratey?
While I think Hook will act heroically by 3×11, we’ll see Hook acting pirate-like in the 3×5 flashback and possibly with Rumple in the present day, when their paths cross again (as they presumably will).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
In my head, the triangle takes a huge break around 307 when I think Neal will come back because that amount of emotional trauma (losing Neal, losing Henry, CS kiss, having Neal come back} will cause Emma to go into full on mother mode. The only thing that will matter is Henry and protecting him. She may have talks with each man but she’s really going to say “can’t deal with this now, must focus on Henry.” It picks back up in 312.
I imagine Emma’s reaction to Neal being alive will be stunned disbelief followed by joy followed by anger followed by WALLS! UP! My hope for the guys is that Neal and Hook both stop their pursuits for the time being because of HENRY.
When they back to SB my own headcanon is that Emma tells Neal she needs time and she explores whatever she feels for Hook but in the end he’ll never be “home” for her. And then by 322 she and Neal have reaffirmed their love. I see SwanFire being a lot like Rumbelle instead of Snowing. Snowing is very “set,” they rarely fight or disagree. Rumbelle have tiffs and disagree and Belle is constantly reminding Rumple to be a better person. Neal doesn’t need to be reminded to be a better person but I’d hate to see them go safe and automatically happy.
(As for Hook–I won’t lie. I’m totally feeling CaptainFairy right now. Like WHOA. And he’s Emma’s BFF and confidant. And he realizes that he never felt true love for her–but rather a very intense BFF connection)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"That is what worries me really, that Neal ends up in a can’t win situation.
Ah, he’s already there. Last season he didn’t fight for Emma so he didn’t deserve her. This season he fights to get back to her, and he’s still criticised. He just can’t win with people who already dislike him. If/when SF get back together, I do wonder what all the Neal haters are gonna make of it all, in particular what they’ll think of Emma.
I mean what could he say, to prove he loves her, yet express to her the raw deal that is finding out that the woman you love is mixed up with the guy that your own mother chose too? It is just super-messed up, and while the writers think it is “fun” to create this type of situation, in terms of actual character development it is happening in such a strange way.
I suspect that Neal’s reaction to it is gonna be how Emma learns the whole truth of the situation. I think this is the type of stuff Colin was talking about in that interview with Hook still struggling with not being selfish. If he tells Emma the whole truth, that would severely dent his chances with her, even if Neal were truly dead, she’d still not like the fact that Hook had handed him over to Pan as a child. And if the dead can’t spill the beans, then why should Hook spill the beans, when he can just keep it to himself because he’s hoping to develop a closer relationship with Emma. Then Neal will come back and the truth will come out and Hook’s selfishness will blow up in his face and he’ll realise he should have just been honest instead of trying to protect his own interests, and it’ll be a vital turning point for the development of his character.
So is it really as it would appear to those who think Hook has truly put his past away, and is just a nice honorable mini-Charming hero now? Or is there a further twist? For example, we have only Hook’s word that dreamshade is poisonous and deadly, and that the Lost Boys use it. Wouldn’t be the first time he’s led allies on to think he is more useful to them then he truly is. What strikes me as the oddest thing though, is why didn’t Tamara and Greg shoot him? After they talk in the diamond minds, they are going to destroy all of “his kind”, and no longer need him, so why let him have the chance? Well if that was their orders, then that’s why they did it, but we know who sent the orders now. Peter Pan, who just happened to have prior dealing with Hook.
I do fully expect Hook to be a hero, but the question is when, and before then what happens? What good is a pirate character if he does not do something piratey?
I don’t doubt the nastiness of dreamshade. We’ve seen Tink with an arrow dipped in it too, and Pan did dip the apple arrow in it as well. Perhaps it works in a funky way where it infects you more, the less faith you have, and that’s why Hook said it could take days, or weeks, because it depends on the will of the person that’s been infected? But I don’t doubt that it’s legit deadly.
Interesting point you raise about Pan having possibly given GOAT orders to not shoot Hook. If that were the case, I’d assume it was because he knew that Hook would be bringing Emma to NL, so basically, Hook is just another of Pan’s unwitting pawns. I think Hook is being genuine in his actions to help save Henry. That kid is Milah’s grandson, after all. We should see him being plenty piratey in the past though.
Anyway, I have a hope (howbeit ever fanciful) that Neal and Hook will put aside their powers of wooing Emma in favor of helping her find Henry. I want to see some authentic camaraderie rather than a rivalry. I fully admit this may be wishful thinking on my part. I just don’t what a love triangle to be the only reason for showing Hook and Neal scenes together. I want a good amount of on-screen CaptainFire brothers-in-arms against a common enemy. Both survived and escaped NL before. If they combined their knowledge towards a common purpose, they could be a huge asset to Emma and everyone else in saving Henry.
Yeeeessss, please let there be some of this stuff!!!!
Back to the SF stuff. Here’s another video with a song I feel like was made for Emma and Neal:
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
for all the reasons you already said, that i think that the Kiss will happen in the begining of next week episode, neal sees it, the whole story between hook and neal will come out and that is why we will see hook story, he trying to show neal that he can be a good person and Reballing with the guilt of hurting bae again.
also wonder what will be rumple relationship to the triangle.
Hadn’t thought of where in the ep the kiss might happen, but you make a good point, bluebutterfly, that it would make sense for it to happen early on, and then show us Hook’s history as he deals with the kiss aftermath in present day.
I wonder if Neal would even have to see it in order to force that self reflection for Hook though? The Hooker in me would rather he just think about it of his own accord. It might also be a bit cliche if Neal just so happens to show up just in time to see it happen. If he doesn’t see it, I wonder who it will be who’ll end up telling him?
As for Rumple, he totally ships SF, and he hates Hook. Even moreso than Neal reacting with, “Oh no, you’re not taking away another woman I love,” I’d expect that from Rumple. He would take Hook out in a flash so his son didn’t have to suffer losing the woman he loves to Hook, just like he did back in the day with Milah. I’m guessing Rumple will still be off on his own little NL journey though, so he probably won’t find out about it any time soon.
As for Rumple, he totally ships SF, and he hates Hook. Even moreso than Neal reacting with, “Oh no, you’re not taking away another woman I love,” I’d expect that from Rumple. He would take Hook out in a flash so his son didn’t have to suffer losing the woman he loves to Hook, just like he did back in the day with Milah. I’m guessing Rumple will still be off on his own little NL journey though, so he probably won’t find out about it any time soon.
Part of me wonders if Rumple will be the one to spill the beans about Hook/Milah. I love my imp but sometimes he can do rash things.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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