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Schmacky, your placement of visuals with the actual dialog from the show was really nice, well timed and fit so well.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Great vid, Schmacky! That’s a total SwanFire song, excellent choice! 😀
@HeatherC1275 wrote:
Phee-Your entire post just made me smile (and aww out loud, LOL). Thanks for writing out how I feel about things right now and way better than I could have ever said it! I think the SwanFire journey is going to be extremely fascinating, heartbreaking, honest, and beautiful to watch and I cannot wait to see it.
Glad my ramblings made sense. 😆
@KFChimera wrote:
I felt like Emma was already well underway with that healing process this season, but then she suffered two gut punches in a row, losing Neal and Henry in the same day. She has Snowing to help her, but she’s always going to be a bit cynical and guarded. She is vulnerable now, and Hook is sure to notice that.
And he has a similar vulnerability to her, because they’re both grieving the loss of Nealfire right now. I can see that drawing them closer to each other.
I think it is unclear what motivated Hook–it could have been a combination of various things. I feel like the scene shown right before his decision to return is the flashback and the scratch marks, so the largest reason is probably guilt over abandoning Bae. I think Hook was watching very closely when Regina talked to Henry and revealed her plan to sacrifice herself for him. He did also seem affected by Emma’s words in the diner (though they alone didn’t convince him immediately), and it did seem like he addressed himself to Emma when offering his services to find Henry (rather than to all of them generally) and saying in response to her saying he didn’t care about anyone but himself, that he just needed a reminder that he could.
At the end of the scene at CasaCharmings, after listening to Regina, Hook comments, “The things we do for our children,” then it cuts to the flashback where he protected Bae by lying to the Lost Ones. All the flashbacks involved his relationship with Bae. In the Diner, the part of his conversation with Emma that made his thought process start to change, was when she told him about Bae being “dead”. And he looked directly at the marks he’d put there for Bae and scratched out because of Bae, right before he turned the ship around. IMO it was pretty clear that his sole focus in this ep, past and present, was Bae.
As far as who he was directing his offer of services to, Emma was the one leading that group of people on the dock, the one who was standing right in front of him, and is the one who began speaking to him, (plus she’s the only one of them he actually sorta likes as a person), so naturally, she’s the one he primarily spoke to. As soon as Regina spoke, he responded to her as well.
Even though he was looking at Emma when he said he’d needed a reminder, that reminder he was talking about, was Bae. Granted, Emma’s the one who got him thinking about it with her Diner speech about being part of the group instead of being alone, and about Henry losing part of his family, so yes, she played a role in his revelation, but her words wouldn’t have had any impact on him, if not for his past relationship with Bae.
I think Neal being in FTL may teach Neal to appreciate where he’s from more than he currently does. Yes, it is a barren wasteland, and I like the idea that he ends up solving the Ogre Wars problem in some way. Emma does have magic, and I can’t see her ever wanting to live in Tallahassee now with having ties to Henry and Snowing, and of course, even though she doesn’t really like it, to Regina. Emma definitely showed that she understood Henry considers Regina every bit as important a parent as Neal. So I don’t see Emma being comfortable with trying to live somewhere that would separate her family unit. Neal didn’t seem in that much of a hurry to leave SB though, so there’s that at least. FTL isn’t exactly nicer than when he left, so I hope his issues with magic don’t get worse.
If there’s some magical means that’s used to save his life, (Lake Nostos water has been speculated), then that might help to start changing his mind about magic being completely evil. He’ll have to rely on magic to get back to Emma now, which may also work to change his opinion of it. He’ll certainly have to come to acknowledge that magic can be a good thing if he wants to be with Emma, because she’s full of the stuff.
As for the eventual living arrangements for the whole family, I once saw someone somewhere suggest that they all end up back in FTL, with SwanFire living in a castle that they name Tallahassee. 😉
@Phee wrote:
As for the eventual living arrangements for the whole family, I once saw someone somewhere suggest that they all end up back in FTL, with SwanFire living in a castle that they name Tallahassee. 😉
I. LOVE. IT.
I haven’t gotten to watch that video yet (our WiFi is down while our basement is getting some repair work done from water damage earlier this year) but I bookmarked it to watch later. I can’t get enough of SwanFire videos! There’s a poster on You Tube who has a done of them. Search for MsKTProductions on there and she has a whole bunch of them that are really great. My favorites of hers are Fast Car and Calls Me Home (this one is more than just SwanFire though). 😀
#MoreBOOMLessGloomI don’t think this has been posted here yet and OMG, you guys have to see it! It’s called “101 Reasons to Ship SwanFire” and it’s amazing. Enjoy guys!!
#MoreBOOMLessGloomThanks for that link, the vid was amazing. The whole thing was choc full of FEELS!
Fave part of it was when they mashed up Nealfire saying how he was trying to get her home with the shot of her parents hugging her and Snow saying “you found us”. If that ain’t proof right there that Nealfire did what he had to do and sacrifice their immediate future together so that eventually Emma could be whole with her family, then I dunno what is. <3
I don’t usually focus on lists of parallels, as I think it can often be like looking at clouds and imagining shapes–you will see what you want. I kind of prefer to talk about plot lines and what the characters thought/felt and try to be logical about it. Still, I have read a few now on other threads for other couples and got to wondering what there were for Swanfire. This page has some GIFs of storyline developments that are parallel between Snowing and SF, and the video clips let you see side by side the camera angles/directing are uncannily similar, not just the story elements.
As I said, it’s like seeing pictures in cloud shapes, but fun all the same. Of course, that’s couple to couple parallels. It doesn’t get into the parallels in Emma and Neal as individual characters on their respective journeys as much. I was looking at Emma’s apartment in the pilot versus a screenshot of Neal’s and nothing jumped out at me as similar–his was cluttered and very green. Hers was sparse, not colorful except for a rubix cube, but I didn’t have a lot of angles in the pics of Neal’s apartment. The big clues of course for SF were the dreamcatcher that he kept, and the obvious lack of anything suggesting a woman lived there too.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Nice parallels. And I agree with your sentiment about them–they tend to drive me a little crazy because pointing to lots of parallels (that you see) is no indication of what is “true” or “real.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Exactly, Rumples Girl–and when I read them (for whatever ship/context) I usually see the differences too. I’m not going to do them for all of them, but the ones on the first page, these were my thoughts–
1) The Katherine/Tamara parallel –Charming was cursed to be with Katherine–Neal may have been manipulated emotionally, but it was his choice to be with Tamara.
2) The pregnancy Test– Snow and Charming are together and happy, while Emma is alone, in jail, and wondering if Neal abandoned/played/betrayed her.
3)The reunion with child– Snowing are both reunited with Emma, but for Henry he came there with Emma and was only meeting Neal for the first time.
4)The way he looks at her– Katherine is realizing what she has with David isn’t real, but Tamara knows it is a scam, so she points it out to further her manipulation of Neal and buy some exploring time.
5)The Wanted Poster– Snow was innocent of murder and treason (though she was guilty of robbery but I can’t remember if that was on the poster), but Neal was guilty of stealing the watches.
So besides showing the writers weren’t just phoning it in by copying things exactly, those differences also make for a darker/angstier path for Neal and Emma, than that of Snowing’s (in contrast) easier fairytale romance. Some might see that as a sign SF is not “meant to be”, but others think it’s just the writers making SF work harder for the happy ending.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
It’s very interesting that Snow and Bae/Neal have very many similarities. For one, they were both wanted. Obviously, they’re going to be wanted for different things. But I think the point was that the government was after them.
Both had to break the heart of their lover for their own good. Snow had to leave Charming so George wouldn’t kill him. Neal left Emma because August said she needed to fulfill her destiny.
They both got word of their love from a dove, of all things.
Both had tried to get over and forget their lover. Snow took the potion to forget Charming while Neal tried to move on with Tamara (another woman=this world’s forget-them potion).
They both sacrificed themselves for the life and safety of their love. Snow ate the apple so the Queen wouldn’t kill Charming. Neal let go and fell through the portal for Emma and Henry.
And both of their loves thought them to be dead because of this. Charming thought Snow was dead and now Emma thinks Neal is.
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