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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • March 31, 2014 at 1:33 am #257155
    dontstopbelievin
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    They go and confirm that Emma and Neal are TL and then they make Emma kill her TL and then he dies in her arms. I don’t know why I’m watching this show anymore

    This. THIS.

    They made Emma KILL HER TRUE LOVE. End post, full stop. That is something you do not move past… ever.

    It is literally the worst thing I’ve seen in ALL of my shipping days. I can’t even begin to deal. They didn’t just write Neal out, they MADE EMMA DO IT. I… can’t… how do you… how?!

    Adam’s Twitter silence speaks volumes. Just not sure what it’s saying… I’m of two minds on it.

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    Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...

    March 31, 2014 at 1:33 am #257156
    lunatiger
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    Not the ship, that’s its own issue, but OUAT jumped the shark tonight. A show about happy endings, second chances, hope and true love… showing that life sucks & then ya die. How do you trust them about anything, again, ever?

    This is why I feel such anger right now. We were robbed of proper character developments all for sake of rushing the plot. I can’t even…

    This was my go to show to escape mundane life. To finally have a show be fun and light-hearted and hopeful to watch.  I have to say that this is even WORSE the watching Game of Thrones. Because the show tries to show us love and happy endings and second chances for EVERYONE, only to have the one character that actually deserved a second chance die in front of us. Have the carpet rip from under us. I feel like it was all a lie and that they’re laughing at us.

    I feel like whenever the writers say HOPE now, I’m trying to holding myself back from doing something painful to them. There is no message of hope in this show at all. Not when a selfless character suffers all his life then dies for a convoluted plot device.

    I need some fanfiction right now to re-write A&E horrible mess up. Or my own little headcanon where they actually follow through what they’ve been saying in season 1. Or maybe just maybe they are toying with us and they’ll resurrect Neal. I’m still waiting for answers on how they handled this.

    March 31, 2014 at 1:42 am #257157
    Slurpeez
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    They made Emma KILL HER TRUE LOVE. End post, full stop. That is something you do not move past… ever.

    I didn’t see it as Emma actually killing her love, since she is not the culprit. But I do see it as an end-of-life issue in which a doctor pulls the life-support plug on a patient who is asking for it be done. And that is just as horrible for Emma. Just as dreadful to Neal.

    They could have kept him alive. Waited to figure out the name of WW some other way. Rumple would gladly have died to spare Neal.

    Neal dying nullifies his father’s sacrifice to give his son his second chances at happiness. Neal gets no happiness in this life, even if he is somewhere looking down on his son and Emma, his true love.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    March 31, 2014 at 1:42 am #257158
    dontstopbelievin
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    RG, where are you seeing that MRJ is gone? Is it just this article?

    http://tvline.com/2014/03/30/once-upon-a-time-recap-neal-dies-a-hero/

    Is Neal indeed gone? Yup. As series cocreators Eddy Kitsis and Adam Horowitz told TVLine in January, a major character would be dying during Season 3B — “for real,” they made clear — at which point his/her portrayer, meaning series regular Michael Raymond James, would leave the show.

    I am not saying this is not real, but that paragraph reads to me as a bunch of conjecture. Yes, this death is final, because A&E said there would be a “for real” death in 3B, ergo MRJ is out. Not, “A&E said MRJ is out, which I can now share/confirm.”

    I fully expect the gauntlet & exit interviews/articles/tweets to come out tomorrow so I am not saying “HOPE!” but I am saying that paragraph alone is far from conclusive.

    Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...

    March 31, 2014 at 1:44 am #257159
    Phee
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    2. Building up CaptainFire before this episode. While I do like CaptainFire it felt a little sudden in this episode–they could of shown Hook being more worried about Neal and they also could of let them have a reconciliation scene in the year back in the EF. ALso, they could of downplayed the love triangle nonsense we got in Neverland–having Hook and Neal put their differences inside to find Henry

    That hug in the hospital would have been a really touching moment…if only it made sense with the recent characterisation of Hook. But it just felt weird and out of place.

    5. Having Neal enact a dark ritual? I thought he hated magic—surely he would consider all paths and consequences before doing a ritual–he is Rumple’s son. He is not stupid–he knows all magic comes with a price and wouldn’t just blindly do a ritual he knows nothing about

    That was pretty much character assassination right there. It’s not like Neal has never used magic before, but he doesn’t just rush into it without properly considering it, and knowing what he does about dark magic, knowing what it did to his father, it really made him look stupid to go just go ahead and do it, no questions asked. Also, would Belle have not stayed up that night and read some more about it and discovered the whole life for a life thing? They managed to make them both look careless and dumb.

    March 31, 2014 at 1:58 am #257162
    dontstopbelievin
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    dontstopbelievin wrote:

    They made Emma KILL HER TRUE LOVE. End post, full stop. That is something you do not move past… ever.

    I didn’t see it as Emma actually killing her love, since she is not the culprit. But I do see it as an end-of-life issue in which a doctor pulls the life-support plug on a patient who is asking for it be done. And that is just as horrible for Emma. Just as dreadful to Neal. They could have kept him alive. Waited to figure out the name of WW some other way. Rumple would gladly have died to spare Neal. Neal dying nullifies his father’s sacrifice to give his son his second chances at happiness. Neal gets no happiness in this life, even if he is somewhere looking down on his son and Emma, his true love.

    I think that’s a reasonable analogy, but I cannot get over the fact that they had Emma cast a spell to end the life of her TL. Even if he was “really” dead in the EF, just, no. Regardless of how you look at it, they wrote this episode so that Emma took a direct action that ended with her TL dying. Are they planning to take the character dark, have her seek vengeance? I am just in utter shock at what they did to these characters in the 40 minutes of TV I watched tonight! What, and, who? What just happened?! I feel like my TV was taken over by podpeople…

    Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...

    March 31, 2014 at 2:04 am #257163
    Phee
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    Of all the things – of ALL the things – the one that has me ready to weep hysterically is that THEY MADE EMMA KILL HER TL. WTF?! He died at her hand! How does she ever recover from that? Hint: she doesn’t. They have just ruined that character. They screwed Bae, they torched Emma – not even to touch Henry. How could they have ruined them all so callously?

    The Saviour who saves everyone, because she has the power due to be being the product of true love, is unable to save her own true love from dying. Say what now? Much logic there. The Saviour who believes that she never gets the happy moments in life is seemingly proven right when this crap happens with her. Say what now? Much hope there. It’s just ridiculous and really doesn’t jive with the themes they claim that they’re portraying in the show.

    Neal dying nullifies his father’s sacrifice to give his son his second chances at happiness.

    For real. Not only do we get the message that Neal can be a good guy his whole life and get a crappy death as his reward, but we also get the message that Rumple can finally see the light, make the ultimate sacrifice, and then still lose his son, who he gave his life for. So I guess redemption and a happy ending really ISN’T possible for villains after all then, and Rumple’s character growth and sacrifice meant jack. Way to treat your characters with respect. *sigh*

    March 31, 2014 at 2:10 am #257165
    dontstopbelievin
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    This is just completely backwards. It just can’t be legit. It just can’t be.

    Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...

    March 31, 2014 at 2:15 am #257170
    astrawoid
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    I can’t sleep.  I’m just a wreck. I tried to distract myself with other things but I just can’t seem to do it.  I think this show is forever ruined for me.  I really hated the writing in this episode.

    What also aggravates me is that the good guys seem like such idiots in this episode. Pretty much all of them did ooc things or just seemed to suffer from “lack o’ brains” or even simple thinking through things.

    I also hate that Rumple’s sacrifice was for nothing. Either Neal should have stayed dead after the fall through the portal or rumpled should have stayed dead after his amazing sacrifice.

    I’m just heartbroken and I just don’t understand this show anymore. I don’t like the direction this show is going at all.  I don’t have faith in the “heroes” anymore either.

    "We were happy."
    "Because... it was born out of true love."

    March 31, 2014 at 2:20 am #257172
    Rainbow
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    my friend sent adam the following question: “so this is story decided btw S2/S3? so you kill a character on S2 to bring him back on S3, to kill him again on S3?”

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

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