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October 25, 2013 at 9:08 pm #218753RumplesGirlKeymaster
Clearly, Emma is aware and even flattered by Hook’s attentions
And who could blame her? I mean…I do have eyes. And a moment where you feel emotionally ugly it’s nice to be reminded that someone finds you at least physically appealing.
Yet, Jennifer Morrison specifically said that his interest isn’t even registering with Emma since her focus is on finding Henry.
*takes off goggles* AS IT SHOULD. Maybe it’s just cause of the episode coming up but EVERY spoiler article of the past week or more has been about the thing. There is an 11 yr old boy being held captive by an immortal maniac! *twitch*
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 25, 2013 at 10:27 pm #218758kfchimeraParticipantReading that Screwball ninja essay made me feel better, even if it is not “pro”Neal or SF, it gets to the point. Neal may not be right for Emma, but I hope the writers realize that loud vocal online fans have a skewed perspective from the average viewer. The average viewer is going to be shocked to learn that Hook was once a good guy, just like they were that Neal and Emma still loved each other. The writers need to get on showing the jail back-story though. I just hope they do not change it from what Adam tweeted and what they said in interviews. I am kind of afraid they will.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
October 25, 2013 at 10:35 pm #218760RumplesGirlKeymasterhttp://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/65078069931/why-do-the-ouat-villains-get-all-the-love-essay
Screwball Ninja essay. It’s a really good one.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 26, 2013 at 4:20 am #218783PheeParticipantScrewball is so good at breaking the show down into easily understandable chunks of facts.
October 26, 2013 at 6:09 am #218790SlurpeezParticipantFrom an article that Phee posted in a different thread, but I’ll comment here on CSF:
TVLINE | If Hook were to get wind that Neal is there on the island, might his more dastardly side take steps to prevent a reunion with Emma?
It will be interesting to see. That relationship with Baelfire is very complicated. Hook really would have given up everything to be a father figure to Baelfire, and I think that even now, hundreds of years later, he still sees him as that little boy, and still holds him quite dear. Even though he gave him up to the Lost Boys, if Baelfire had turned around said, “I want to stay,” he would have done everything in his power to keep him. At the end of the day, Hook really truly loved Baelfire’s mother Milah and he still sees the mother in the boy. So it would be complicated, but I would be interested to see how he would react to that.While the media is quick to paint these two men as mere rivals over Emma, Colin has been quick to highlight the fact that Hook has paternal love for Milha’s boy, and I predict that’s going to impact Hook’s decision in reformation. I wonder at what stage Neal will re-enter the picture. Right now he’s being held captive by a bunch of merciless teenagers. Hopefully, we will get some CF moments by 3×7 (since 3×6 is Ariel’s story). That means we may have to wait until mid-November. Oh well, but at least it should be worth it. I’d really like to see Hook regard Neal as a de facto son figure. It might even create an interesting stand-in for Neal’s broken relationship with his own father. It will be endlessly fascinating for Emma to observe the interactions between Hook and Neal, for sure (especially in light of the thing). I can hardly wait to see how Neal and Hook relate in the present-day.
TVLINE | So if Emma ultimately has cause to run into Neal’s arms, it won’t necessarily “flip a switch” for Hook and revert him to his ruthless pirate ways?
Not necessarily. I think Hook has the confidence to believe that he could easily get any girl if he put his mind to it. That’s the kind of guy he is! If he will or would is a whole other thing.*cough, Captain Fairy and/or Hookriel, cough *
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
October 26, 2013 at 7:00 am #218792PheeParticipantWhile the media is quick to paint these two men as mere rivals over Emma, Colin has been quick to highlight the fact that Hook has paternal love for Milha’s boy, and I predict that’s going to impact Hook’s decision in reformation.
Yep, the particular type of affection that Hook has for Bae is defined by him being an extension of Milah, the woman he couldn’t give up loving for 300-odd years, and that will HAVE to play on Hook’s mind when it comes to whether or not he really wants to pursue Emma, and in doing so, hurt Milah’s son. This is the sort of stuff we’ve been saying all along, so I like seeing Colin state it for the record. Hook isn’t just gonna stomp on the kid’s feelings and leave them in the gutter because “even now, hundreds of years later, he still sees him as that little boy, and still holds him quite dear.” If Hook does completely disregard Neal’s feelings in present day, then that shows zero character progression for him, but if you look at a couple of Colin’s other statements in that interview, “He was straight-laced and believed in right and wrong,” and “You also begin to see an element of Killian come back into Hook in this episode as well,” that suggests to me that we WILL be seeing some positive progression for Hook’s character. All in all, that interview from Hook/Colin’s point of view seemed to indicate IMO that there’s a good chance that the thing really will end up being a “one time thing.”
October 26, 2013 at 9:20 pm #218938kfchimeraParticipanthttps://twitter.com/joshdallas/status/394212221808418816
I kind of think Snow and Charming would get why Neal left Emma, but it is an open question if that’s ever fully been explained to anyone on screen that the ONLY reason he left the way he did was because he HAD to due to the curse? I would enjoy a story where Snow tells Emma how she had to break Charming’s heart, so they can draw some parallels (the all-mighty-stock in trade of shippers everywhere), but more importantly get into what “terrible things” could have happened if Neal stayed.
I’m not sure if they’d do a kind of “it’s a wonderful life” trope but… there’s that news of Tinkerbell and a graveyard to sort out, along with Emma’s red jacket. .
So I feel like Emma can be with Hook all she chooses, but more important is for the audience to understand Neal and what might be appealing about him to Emma. To sway audiences to root for these two to reunite, if that’s what the writers want, they have to get the story out there that Neal never framed Emma. That he had more to lose walking away than she did.
People call him greedy, but he gave all the money and his car to her! So these things get forgotten.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
October 26, 2013 at 9:40 pm #218940RumplesGirlKeymasterkind of think Snow and Charming would get why Neal left Emma, but it is an open question if that’s ever fully been explained to anyone on screen that the ONLY reason he left the way he did was because he HAD to due to the curse?
Agreed. One of the things we see most often against Neal is that Nealfire left Emma and is thus at the root of all her abandonment issues, but as Lost Girl clearly shows, her first issue with abandonment has always been that she’s an orphan. Snow and Charming chose to put her in the wardrobe and it was done out of faith and love and hope, but they still left her. The reasons for Emma are important (done out of love instead of malevolence for example) but it doesn’t change the fact that she was alone. Emma says as much in Broken. I think once Nealfire returns to the group and they begin to piece together the past, it will become clear that PP has been manipulating this all along. One of the past articles said that in Neverland Emma has to relearn her own history. Right now her view is incredibly myopic. She knows only her version of the events and Neal’s briefly because he did tell her about Pinocchio. But she doesn’t know Pinocchio’s role and that someone probably pulled his metaphorical puppet strings. She doesn’t know that PP engineered it so that “the spawn of the Dark One” and the Savior would produce Henry. She has to relearn everything.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 26, 2013 at 9:45 pm #218941RumplesGirlKeymasteralso. Have something pretty my shipmates
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 26, 2013 at 11:36 pm #218955SlurpeezParticipantSF video with the song “Fix You” by Coldplay.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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