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About Emma wanting to go back to New York with Henry:
I understand why people are angry at her for it, but I really don’t see it as being out of character, she does tend to want to run from the hard emotional situations rather than face them.RG Wrote:
And mother? She doesn’t want Henry to be with his family–including his other mother, she doesn’t want Henry to see his Father when they find Neal, she wants to pull him away from his life.
The season ends with her having “saved” people only after she broke it all (and saving “the wrong person” because she felt super bad about Marian dying) AND she barely mentions Henry during the course of the time travel escapades.I see it as a very motherly way for her to think. She wanted to keep Henry safe, they had a good safe life in New York, as she remembers it, they had their whole life there and she does still have those memories on top of her real ones- first of all that must be very confusing. This was also what she wanted before her little trip to past Enchanted Forest. At this time she was still trying to run away from that world her family and fairytale part of her self. This would have been the wrong choice for her to do, I agree, but the characters making wrong choices only makes them seem more real to me and I love them even more for it. If they always did the right thing, the hero thing, they would be dreadfully boring.
Phee Wrote:
The way Emma had been so steadfast about leaving had been disregarding her parents’ (and Regina’s) feelings entirely, not even acknowledging that those other people had an emotional stake in her decision, and that’s pretty selfish.Yes she was being selfish and then she was hiding her selfishness behind her desire and excuse of wanting to keep Henry safe. Her wanting to keep him safe and save him from the hard life that all these entanglements of living in Storybrook and knowing about this his fairytale family would mean, was real and that’s what I mean by saying it’s a motherly thing to do she wanted to protect him from all of that.
But it was also selfish because it would make things a lot easier for herself and she wouldn’t have to deal with her emotions regarding her parants and she wouldn’t have to deal with Regina being Henry’s mother. But these are the things that makes Emma Emma. She hates emotions and she builds walls against them. I love Emma because she isn’t perfect and these things, and her wrong choices, are the things I love seeing in her. They make her a real person not just a character fresh out of the hero mold.
About Emmas relationship with her mother:
Myril wrote:
The main character to blame for it not working is IMO SnowI agree with that but Snow has to me just been a wonky character from the very beginning. Emma and Snows relationship really does seem to be cast aside for the time being in order to have time to tell all the other stories that they also want to tell.
In some ways it does make sense Emma has not been brave enough to really start a mother-daughter relationship with Snow, I like that approach.. I for one would feel the same if my mother was the same age as me. But the writing hasn’t really explored either Emma or Snows feelings towards each other, be they stand of-ish or loving. They have addressed it in glances and small comments but there is so much more emotional stuff there to dig into. I would also enjoy if they addressed it more.
RG Wrote:
And yes she found her home with her parents but it literally happens over the span of (in show) one or two days. (2 hours for us). One second it’s “I’m leaving. I won’t need magic in NYC” and then “I must stay in SB!” Lightening fast character development that makes me spinThe fact that Emma changed her demeanor after her trip back in time made sense to me. But it, as so many other things on the show, was rushed in the writing department.
Is Emma a damsel in distress?:
Myril wrote:
what me irks about how they took Emma a step or more along her journey to a better self, is that the key character now became a man, the possible true love or love interest. It’s such a worn out path.This I definitely agree with as well. They keep promoting the show as a new look on female heroines in fairytales, they say they have no damsels in distress on their show but in a round-about way they doo-
Because the female characters keep needing some man to save them. Here we saw Emma needing Hook to tell her what’s what and keep her grounded and be there for her as a Enchanted Forest Guide – Fail… Snow always needs Charming to find her – Fail… Regina needed Robin to “hold her heart” before she learned to do the right thing – Fail …. Regina keeps getting screwed over by the little imp man – Fail … Belle marries the man that keeps her as a pet – Mayor FailSo there we go- Damsels in distress all over the place.. which now after season 3 includes Emma.
[adrotate group="5"]And yes she found her home with her parents but it literally happens over the span of (in show) one or two days. (2 hours for us). One second it’s “I’m leaving. I won’t need magic in NYC” and then “I must stay in SB!” Lightening fast character development that makes me spin
I think Emma said herself in the finale that what changed her decision was seeing her mother “die” in the past. That could have a profound effect on someone. Emma didn’t realise what she had until it was gone. Her mother looking at her and not recognising her also had an effect on Emma. Emma realised she didn’t want to lose her family and there she was about to run away back to New York. The whole SwanFire flashback “home is the thing you miss when you leave” played into Emma realising she would miss her family if she left for New York thus Emma realised that Storybrooke was her real home because “home is where the heart is”.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI recall an interview with Ginny from the last SDCC (I think it was) where she commented that in S2 the action and plot sorta got in the way of Snow and Emma really exploring their relationship. She didn’t flat out say that she was disappointed with how it went, but you could tell by how she said that they were really looking forward to finally delving into their relationship in S3 that she’d been disappointed. Makes me wonder how the actresses feel about how S3 ended up playing out as we
Yes. Her words were something like, “I kept waiting for it to happen but it never did”
Nevertheless, I was okay with Regina being the one saving the day, town, They promoted 3B as WickedvsEvil, so it amused me when many viewers assumed, following in that the characters, it would be Emma wielding the white magic Glinda was talking about.
I don’t mind Regina saving the day. I MIND that Emma did NOTHING. NOTHING. She took walks in the woods. That’s what she did in S3B
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I see it as a very motherly way for her to think. She wanted to keep Henry safe, they had a good safe life in New York, as she remembers it, they had their whole life there and she does still have those memories on top of her real ones- first of all that must be very confusing. This was also what she wanted before her little trip to past Enchanted Forest. At this time she was still trying to run away from that world her family and fairytale part of her self. This would have been the wrong choice for her to do, I agree, but the characters making wrong choices only makes them seem more real to me and I love them even more for it. If they always did the right thing, the hero thing, they would be dreadfully boring.
I would see it as a motherly thing if it wasn’t totally 100% obvious that it was for her sake not Henry’s. And after Henry gets his memories back, she still “we’re leaving.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Belle marries the man that keeps her as a pet – Mayor Fail
I strongly disagree with this. Rumple does not keep Belle as a pet. Yes he is lying to her at the moment but we don’t know what is going on in his head or his reasons for doing so after his year long experience of being enslaved by Zelena, forced to watch his son die, and being resurrected from the dead. Rumple loves Belle, and she is probably the only one he listens to and who’s opinions he takes into consideration. He may not always listen to Belle but he certainly doesn’t treat her or keep her as a pet.
Also I disagree about Emma being a damsel in distress just because she needed Hook’s help to navigate the customs in the EF which Emma had no experience with. Had Hook been a woman helping Emma, would Emma still be classed as a damsel in distress? It’s common sense to ask someone who knows about the EF for help if you yourself do not know what you are expected to do but are expected to do it.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAlso I disagree about Emma being a damsel in distress just because she needed Hook’s help to navigate the customs in the EF which Emma had no experience with. Had Hook been a woman helping Emma, would Emma still be classed as a damsel in distress? It’s common sense to ask someone who knows about the EF for help if you yourself do not know what you are expected to do but are expected to do it
1) Emma has been in the EF before. S2A. She learned about “what to do and what not to do” IE do not shoot a gun in the air and bring the ogres. This wasn’t a situation where she was overly required to know about the EF. Most of the time, she’s hiding in our bushes or trees trying not to be seen.
2) Hook spent most of his life outside of the EF. His knowledge of the EF isn’t any more steady then hers.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"1) Emma has been in the EF before. S2A. She learned about “what to do and what not to do” IE do not shoot a gun in the air and bring the ogres. This wasn’t a situation where she was overly required to know about the EF. Most of the time, she’s hiding in our bushes or trees trying not to be seen.
2) Hook spent most of his life outside of the EF. His knowledge of the EF isn’t any more steady then hers.
1) Last time Emma was in the EF, she wasn’t expected to dance at a ball. This time she was. Last time Emma was in the EF, she didn’t need to blend in. This time she did. Emma’s experience in the EF this time was a lot different to her experience in the EF last time.
2) Hook’s knowledge of the EF is more sturdy than Emma’s for the fact that he was born and raised in a society that didn’t look like it had changed much over 200 years. As a naval officer, Hook would’ve attended formal occasions. The ball was one such occasion.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix1) Last time Emma was in the EF, she wasn’t expected to dance at a ball. This time she was. Last time Emma was in the EF, she didn’t need to blend in. This time she did. Emma’s experience in the EF this time was a lot different to her experience in the EF last time.
No she wasn’t. The dance was unnecessary to the plot of uniting Snow and Charming. It was something they did spur of the moment. It was there to make Emma feel like a princess. It wasn’t in any way shape or form necessary to the goal Hook and Emma had.
2) Hook’s knowledge of the EF is more sturdy than Emma’s for the fact that he was born and raised in a society that didn’t look like it had changed much over 200 years. As a naval officer, Hook would’ve attended formal occasions. The ball was one such occasion.
So much conjecture! We saw the EF of Hook’s time for maybe 5 mins. We saw more of it in Rumple’s past in A Desperate Soul and the Crocodile. It has DEFINITELY changed since then. And again, the actual dancing was completely unnecessary to the plot of getting Snow and Charming together. They could have done anything else and the events would have played out the same. Emma was not expected to dance.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"No she wasn’t. The dance was unnecessary to the plot of uniting Snow and Charming. It was something they did spur of the moment. It was there to make Emma feel like a princess. It wasn’t in any way shape or form necessary to the goal Hook and Emma had.
Emma and Hook went to Midas’ castle because that is where Charming was and where Snow was going to be in order to steal the ring. The had to blend into the crowd in order to keep an eye on things. It would’ve looked awfully suspicious if there was one couple who did not dance at all at the ball. Also there was a risk that Emma may have been asked to dance by someone else if Hook wasn’t at least seen dancing with her.
So much conjecture! We saw the EF of Hook’s time for maybe 5 mins. We saw more of it in Rumple’s past in A Desperate Soul and the Crocodile. It has DEFINITELY changed since then. And again, the actual dancing was completely unnecessary to the plot of getting Snow and Charming together. They could have done anything else and the events would have played out the same. Emma was not expected to dance.
Has it though? Can you say for certain that it had DEFINITELY changed? Hook, pre-pirate, would’ve had a higher social standing as a Naval officer than Rumple as a peasant. We saw the EF through Rumple’s view, not Hook’s, plus there was a war going on. The peasants would’ve been the ones sent to fight in the ogre war whilst the higher up classes and royalty would’ve sat back and watched things unfold.
Charming’s childhood in the EF would’ve been different to Snow’s childhood in the EF because they were different classes. Charming’s family were at risk of losing their home and livelihood whilst Snow’s family didn’t have to want for anything.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixEmma and Hook went to Midas’ castle because that is where Charming was and where Snow was going to be in order to steal the ring. The had to blend into the crowd in order to keep an eye on things. It would’ve looked awfully suspicious if there was one couple who did not dance at all at the ball. Also there was a risk that Emma may have been asked to dance by someone else if Hook wasn’t at least seen dancing with her.
No they wouldn’t. There were tons of couples not dancing, standing around talking and observing. Like Charming and Abigail. There was no need to blend in. They were blended.
Has it though? Can you say for certain that it had DEFINITELY changed? Hook, pre-pirate, would’ve had a higher social standing as a Naval officer than Rumple as a peasant. We saw the EF through Rumple’s view, not Hook’s, plus there was a war going on. The peasants would’ve been the ones sent to fight in the ogre war whilst the higher up classes and royalty would’ve sat back and watched things unfold.
I’m not saying he didn’t attend balls. Though, that’s a lot of conjecture without know the social norms of the EF. I’m talking about the world as a whole not just “lords and ladies having parties”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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