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@hjbau wrote:
I still don’t think that Rumpel can see the future. If he made the curse then he caused it to happen and gave it to Regina and helped her to enact it. He collected ingredients and told her about using the heart of the one you love most. Rumpel caused the curse to happen so there is no reason for him to have seen the future. It is sort of like if i tell you that i am going to hit you and then hit you i didn’t see the future i just made my statement come true.
Sorry but thats not the same thing – he didnt have SW & PC bring Emma into town on her 28birthday did he, he left that up to fate/his vision/feeling of the future ie. he said it would happen & it did. Robert stated Rumps/Gold ‘woke up’ when he heard the name “Emma”, which indicates he didnt ‘know’ about FTL before that moment- why have anyone send the savior off, if you didnt know for Certain they’d be back & knew you couldnt influence their coming back???, Also I picked up Rumps calling out “I want her name” changing to I “NEED” her name just the once! if he didnt really know what was going to happen why would he NEED her name?-Personally I think we’ll see in the next few eps that Gold isnt as happy as expected in town & so why would he want to stay there & never have a happy ending? He knows more than we currently think he does, its just which cards is he going to play next & how do they fall for Emma, SW/PC, EQ & Henry.
[adrotate group="5"]We just don’t know how much the curse or the magic is causing things to happen like Henry coming to Emma on her 28th birthday and bringing her to town. We don’t know what made that happen. It may be Emma’s magic, but even if it is just destiny then that doesn’t mean that Rumpel had to SEE it to make it happen. I do agree that Rumpel need Emma’s name to remember, but why was he screaming if he knew that he would get the name. We just don’t know enough to know how much Rumpel sees or whether he is just causing what he says is going to happen to happen.
When it really comes down to it i think that it is Rumpel who is causing what he wants to happen to happen and i think their are more forces causing what is happen then just Rumpel. There is more to it then that.
The point I was making is Emma was entirely OUTSIDE of Rumps influence – Yep he said she was the savior & well in FTL could have simply just been driving the events to get to the point he wanted them to get to BUT he had 0 control over Emma & her actions once she left FTL- he would have had NO idea if she would have a good or bad life, IF SW/PC would be able to go with her or not, if she would come back to them, if she would have a child or not etc So my point is he has to have some idea of what is ‘going’ to happen (future events) in order to have stared everyone into the positions he wanted them in.
Your example was made with if person 1 says they are going to hit person 2, then does thats not looking into the future – correct its not BUT if person one says to person 2 that person 3 (who hasnt meet either persons 1 or 2 & has no knowledge of their conversation) will smack them both in 2 days & it happens THAT is different & it is what Rumps did as he had no control over Emma’s actions – in fact no one did & the fact Emma was protected & outside the curse means it could Not have acted on her at all- not until she entered SB at the very least anyway.
First of all how do we know all of those bottles along with the one with Charming and Snow’s hairs are for the curse? Did he or any character say so? Do he say I bottles this stuff to make a curse? Did another character say he Rumple how’s that curse coming? It may be for the curse or not. Maybe those are just different potions. How did any of us conclude that those bottles are curse related? We do not really know. We also do not know why he acquired Snow and Charming’s hair for savior purpose either. Rumple said, “No two loves are alike.” and that he has never bottled a love potion. Who knows what his is going to do with those bottles. do we know for sure why he bottled the hairs? We also do not really know.
What other purpose would Rumpel have for bottling Snow and Charming’s love other then something to do with the curse? You are right we don’t really know, but there has to be a reason, so what?
@hjbau wrote:
What other purpose would Rumpel have for bottling Snow and Charming’s love other then something to do with the curse? You are right we don’t really know, but there has to be a reason, so what?
This is one of the tv situations. A character is not dea until you see a body. We never saw Kathryn’s body and forums blow up about this and that her being dead, I hope they don’t kill her blah blah blah. This is no different. Rumple is such that unless he says it we can’t tell what he does is for that purpose. Any character in this story. Unless they say it or another character said so it may or may not be true. Imaginations are great to have because I want to grow wings and fly around all day but I will never grow wings. I may learn to fly a plane one day.
I am not disagreeing that we don’t know for certain that Rumpel bottled the love for the curse, but give us another reason? What purpose? The idea that it is for the curse fits the plot of the show. I would love to hear another reason.
@hjbau wrote:
I am not disagreeing that we don’t know for certain that Rumpel bottled the love for the curse, but give us another reason? What purpose? The idea that it is for the curse fits the plot of the show. I would love to hear another reason.
I don’t profess to know. Yes it does fit. No denial there or anywhere. It even makes sense too. The mere fact that no character made mention of it means to me that all of our theories can hold true and it can all be thrown out of the window because the reason he has the bottles are of a purpose none of us thought of. That’s all. We can’t predict death without a body and the things the character does is not so until confirmed by 2 characters one of which is themself.
That said Bae being August fit as does, Pinnochio, White Knight and maybe he’s one of them or none of them. Just saying because the clues fit the conclusion but because there is no trail leading there you cannot say it is so until that trail is clear. All roads lead to Rome but but first you need to be on the road and heading in that direction.
Who was surprised to see DA Albert Spencer in SB? Who was shocked to see Kathryn in the alley? Who will be shocked to see King Midas in SB?
Me. I never saw King George die so surprised more like a whoa. Kath, I knew she was not dead but was expecting her to walk in the courtroom at MM’s trial and say, “can I say something for the defense?” King Midas in SB. No. We do not know his fate nor did we on the two priors. There was no hard core evidence proving of their deaths. There was clear evidence of them being absent. Being absent does not make you dead in the tv world. That theory hold true for the bottles. We know the shoe fits but first you need the foot and then the shoe.
Well still it is the best theory and is most likely right. Though they could just throw in some random usage that has nothing to do with anything and doesn’t relate to the greater plot of the show. And i think not showing a body is a whole different thing. I agree that no body means not dead, but just because something isn’t said and is instead implied is good evidence that it is the case. It was heavily implied that Emma is more powerful then you think and then they show Rumpel making the bottle of love heavily implying that that bottle of love has to do with why it is Emma that has power in the real world and that heavily implies that that bottle of love has to do with the curse.
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