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I am not a Neal-is-Bae fan at all. And honestly, it’s a little annoying when others refer to Neal as Bae. I know, I know.. it’s fandom and people can think whatever they want, ship whatever they want, etc… but when having discussions and you keep seeing “Bae” when they’re referring to Neal is really annoying… because it’s not that way. Yet. Or maybe ever.
If he ends up not being Bae I just might laugh hysterically
edit: by “you” I mean the general you.
[adrotate group="5"]If most people think Neal is Baelfire, then he’s probably Baelfire. Most of the mysteries on this show have been pretty to easy solve. August being Pinocchio, Cora being the miller’s daughter, Cora being the Queen of Hearts (even though that hasn’t been confirmed, it’s pretty much implied). So, the mysteries on this show aren’t that hard to figure out. The only twist that took the fandom by surprise was Red being the Big Bad Wolf. But other than that, we’ve been able to correctly predict the identities of the characters.
That’s wonderful and congratulations on people’s track record. But he’s not Baelfire right now, is he? No. You cannot say with 100% certainty that he is Baelfire. So why refer to Neal as him? They’re not the same guy right now.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
If most people think Neal is Baelfire, then he’s probably Baelfire. Most of the mysteries on this show have been pretty to easy solve. August being Pinocchio, Cora being the miller’s daughter, Cora being the Queen of Hearts (even though that hasn’t been confirmed, it’s pretty much implied). So, the mysteries on this show aren’t that hard to figure out. The only twist that took the fandom by surprise was Red being the Big Bad Wolf. But other than that, we’ve been able to correctly predict the identities of the characters.
I agree with this. The fandom has correctly been able to call each character’s identity since the show began. And the only reason why Red being the big bad wolf came as a surprise was because we didn’t have months to speculate over it like we have for Baelfire, August, Dr. Whale and Cora. So yes, if the fandom says Neal is Baelfire, then he’s probably Baelfire. 😉
Besides him having moppy brown hair and it’d be fun for Henry to be the grandson of Rumple I haven’t heard anything that actually makes sense for him to be Baelfire. I’ve seen more “evidence” of him being the White Rabbit or a Lost Boy than Baelfire.
I agree with Schmacky, there is nothing that links Neal with Bae but people’s thoughts. (with all my respect, I’m not saying those thoughts are wrong, just a bit hasty 😉 )
As I see it, -and I insist, it is an opinion- Neal is too broken and lost to be Bae. I actually think that he is not a FairytaleLand character at all, and that all those references in his apartment and so on are there just because after knowing who Emma really was, he started to collect them. And if he turns out to be some fairy tale character, then a lost boy… let me even say Peter Pan, but cautiously.
As for why he was so easily persuaded about Emma’s destiny, the expresion on his face while looking into the box is more a surprise expresion than one of realization, so the great mistery is in that box… but honestly, I think Neal was a dreamer, eager for something magical to happen, eager for a “happy ending” and a good live. It is easy to persuade a person who is inclined to believe.I’ve written that Neal is too broken, and I can even heard voices saying: ” didn’t Bae suffer enough to be broken?” XDD Well, yes, he did. But not from the very beginning, he had a childhood, parents who loved him, and took care of him -ok, his mother left him, but he thought she died, so… as far as he was concerned, Milah loved him-. He was not starved of affection, or with a lack of control, guideness and so on as the children who grow up without that do.
The Bae who traveled to a world without magic was already a teenager. His personality was almost completely -or completely- developed already. The quiet child we see in “The crocodrile” is a strong boy in “Desperate souls”, brave, ready to fight in the wars, ready to confront the knights, and even to openly ask his father about the truth on his mother’s death, etc… in “The Stranger”, Bae is, as Mr. Gold told August taken him for his son “the grown man”: he was determined to save his father, he negotiated with the Blue Fairy -even after Morraine spoke about her in quite dark terms- without hesitation. And then his father failed him.
Ok, he arrived to an unknown land, hurt by his father, thinking that his mother is dead and really sad, frustrated, whatever you want.
But I can’t see him losing his personality til grow up to be Neal Cassady, whose personality, manners and so on are sooooo different. Neal is more like, yep, like a “lost child”.If Neal turns out to be Bae, then it should be a really, really good explanation of what happened to him after leave FairyTaleLand.
PS: “You” is general you. AND just an opinion.
PS2: SwanThief sounds perfect ^^
Kitsis: There is an Easter egg in there, but it’s going to take a while for you to realize it. Then, when you go back, it may not be the bow and arrow that gave it away.
And notice the flame:
For Neal-is-NOT-Bae fans, I’m honestly curious: what do you think Kitsis was talking about?
And NO, the chest is not August’s box.
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What’s great about Once is that the writers/producers DO leave clues behind for people to interpret differently. 😆 Just because a theory is popular doesn’t mean it’s bad or good. Every good theory (annoying or not) is based on clues that people pick up on because they like thinking about how it would work on the show. For example, some people want Neal to be Bae because it offers symmetry to the curse. Some people want something less predictable. I don’t think people are purposefully trying to annoy – or that they should be laughed at if they’re wrong. They’re just trying to have fun!
There are moments when I absolutely believe 100% that he’s gonna be Bae. There are lots of little hints and clues floating around, and it would make for a compelling story, so I’ll be totally fine with it if he is. But there’s also part of me that thinks it’d be a cool twist if they shock everyone and have him NOT be Bae. Don’t think that’s very likely at this point though. Either way, I hope we have it resolved sooner rather than later.
@Naomi wrote:
Kitsis: There is an Easter egg in there, but it’s going to take a while for you to realize it. Then, when you go back, it may not be the bow and arrow that gave it away.
[…]
And notice the flame:
For Neal-is-NOT-Bae fans, I’m honestly curious: what do you think Kitsis was talking about?
[…]
What’s great about Once is that the writers/producers DO leave clues behind for people to interpret differently. 😆 Just because a theory is popular doesn’t mean it’s bad or good. Every good theory (annoying or not) is based on clues that people pick up on because they like thinking about how it would work on the show. For example, some people want Neal to be Bae because it offers symmetry to the curse. Some people want something less predictable. I don’t think people are purposefully trying to annoy – or that they should be laughed at if they’re wrong. They’re just trying to have fun!
I’m a “Neal is not Bae” fan since last episode. Before it, I was just curious about the possibility. But Neal is a completely different person, I couldn’t even try to fit his personality with Bae’s. The teen Bae was more mature than the adult Neal, and less easily influenced. So I’ve ruled out the possibility, although I’m always open to be surprised, and if there is a good reason for such a huge change, it wouldn’t be traumatic for my XDD
Regarding the Easter Egg, it is not neccesary related to Henry’s father. The flame in the arrow could be related to the nightmare, for instance. And the other details.. well, I suppose that if they say that it is going to take a while to realize the easter egg, it means that some of the details are related to something still unknow. But it is something to think about ^^
And, finally, I completely agree with you in this: “I don’t think people are purposefully trying to annoy – or that they should be laughed at if they’re wrong. They’re just trying to have fun!” That is the reason behind all this, isn’t it? having fun and enjoying the show ^^
@TheTrickster wrote:
I agree with Schmacky, there is nothing that links Neal with Bae but people’s thoughts. (with all my respect, I’m not saying those thoughts are wrong, just a bit hasty 😉 )
As I see it, -and I insist, it is an opinion- Neal is too broken and lost to be Bae. I actually think that he is not a FairytaleLand character at all, and that all those references in his apartment and so on are there just because after knowing who Emma really was, he started to collect them. And if he turns out to be some fairy tale character, then a lost boy… let me even say Peter Pan, but cautiously.
As for why he was so easily persuaded about Emma’s destiny, the expresion on his face while looking into the box is more a surprise expresion than one of realization, so the great mistery is in that box… but honestly, I think Neal was a dreamer, eager for something magical to happen, eager for a “happy ending” and a good live. It is easy to persuade a person who is inclined to believe.I’ve written that Neal is too broken, and I can even heard voices saying: ” didn’t Bae suffer enough to be broken?” XDD Well, yes, he did. But not from the very beginning, he had a childhood, parents who loved him, and took care of him -ok, his mother left him, but he thought she died, so… as far as he was concerned, Milah loved him-. He was not starved of affection, or with a lack of control, guideness and so on as the children who grow up without that do.
The Bae who traveled to a world without magic was already a teenager. His personality was almost completely -or completely- developed already. The quiet child we see in “The crocodrile” is a strong boy in “Desperate souls”, brave, ready to fight in the wars, ready to confront the knights, and even to openly ask his father about the truth on his mother’s death, etc… in “The Stranger”, Bae is, as Mr. Gold told August taken him for his son “the grown man”: he was determined to save his father, he negotiated with the Blue Fairy -even after Morraine spoke about her in quite dark terms- without hesitation. And then his father failed him.
Ok, he arrived to an unknown land, hurt by his father, thinking that his mother is dead and really sad, frustrated, whatever you want.
But I can’t see him losing his personality til grow up to be Neal Cassady, whose personality, manners and so on are sooooo different. Neal is more like, yep, like a “lost child”.If Neal turns out to be Bae, then it should be a really, really good explanation of what happened to him after leave FairyTaleLand.
PS: “You” is general you. AND just an opinion.
PS2: SwanThief sounds perfect ^^
After witnessing your father murder innocent people, having him abandon you for magic and power, and being thrown into a new and dangerous world, yes, Bae should be a broken and depressed man. Those are some seriously traumatic events for someone to suffer through. He had no one to take care of him, no skills to get a proper job in this world, and no knowledge of how to survive in this world.
A lot of people speculated that Baelfire would turn out to be a bit of a troublemaker or lost soul the next time we see him. So, Neal’s personality fits perfectly for how Bae would be NOW. Just because he had a few early years of happiness doesn’t mean that you should grow up normal and well-adjusted.
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