Emma’s Choice About Which World To Live In

[surayya]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Regina isn’t going to harm Henry. She loves him and Emma knows this. With Cora gone, Storybrooke isn’t such a dangerous place. Tamara is keeping a low profile so she isn’t such an obvious danger to the other characters yet.

While I agree with you there- it’s only to a certain extent now, yes she loves him & I never used to think she’d harm him either, but is trying to find away to kill his entire bio family so she has him to herself, not harming him? (yes this could change again soon, but right now- this is where things stand).

I also disagree with you on how Emma feels, remember Emma has only ever seen Regina in moderate EQ mode once before (when Regina used magic on her, having been confronted about Archie) & she didn’t really take that too well then, telling her ‘she’d have nothing to do with Henry again’, now that was with magic being used against her, over a friend of the family being killed… Regina just stormed Gold’s with her mother, to take a magical dagger in order to effectively ‘rule’ them all, kill Snow, Charming & Emma (so Henry’s only family becomes Regina) & it was all right in front of her …. how is that a safe/healthy person for Henry to be around right now? (don’t get me wrong, I really like/love Regina as a character), but the fact is she has been involved in some horrific bad deeds, some of which are recent, that by real world standards would = locked up & never seeing your child again or even death. Add to this, Regina is in mourning over Cora, once that passes, she’ll have nothing left but to plan/act on getting Henry back- is it ok/safe for Henry- what if happened to get in the way again? Is the fact she would happily take out his entire bio family in the blink of an eye, if she could make Henry believe it wasn’t her ‘safe’ for Henry… the women is border line unhinged atm.

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Ogres could breed like rabbits. Even one ogre can cause enough problems. Would Emma really want to put Hnery in that sort of danger especially with his tendency to run off when he thinks he knows best?

I guess they could, however I’ll take ogres over an unhinged EQ any day- they are predictable & while strong, not smart or magic; she is unpredictable in her actions (if not intent), strong, smart & magical- so therefore by far the larger threat.
Also Henry’s tendency to run off is down to him being pushed out being a FTL child & being excluded from life altering decisions- it started when his mother (Regina), made him think he was crazy for thinking FTL was real, Regina again fostered his running off, by trying to force Emma/his bio mum (who Henry had tracked down himself), out of his life for ever, it reared up again when Charming failed to include Henry in any plans to find his mother & grandmother/beloved teacher & again when he was pushed aside & thought his bio family was out to kill his adopted mum- I can understand why he has a tendency to run off, but he’s not stupid! If there where ogres in SB forest, I doubt he’d have run off into it by himself 🙄

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Emma spent her entire life in this world, it’s all she’s known. Her first experience of FTL land was a confusing and unpleasent one. I don’t blame her for being a little hesitant to uproot her entire life to a place she didn’t even like being. Not forgetting how Charming remembers FTL is a lot different to what Emma and Snow experienced. Snow doesn’t want to go back to FTL, she’s just using Emma as an excuse.

You missed my point- she doesn’t actually have an ‘entire life’ here to uproot- she already said that in S1; the only place she has ‘settled’ isn’t actually part of ‘our’ world, it is a place magically created to exist with-in our world & if they left, her ‘entire world’ pretty much leaves with them, sure she’d have Henry, but he has already voted for FTL not real world. Emma wants her family around her as much as Snow does (if not more! They are still all living in a 2 bedroom apartment), so I cant see her staying if Charming wants to leave, Henry wants to leave, Snow wants her family together & her doubts about leaving are centered on not being certain Emma ‘wants’ to go to FTL, given Emma wants her family to be together & Henry to grow up in a safe, loving environment (this she can do in both worlds in all honesty).
Yes it wasn’t the nicest introduction to FTL she could have possibly hoped for- but how has real world been any better? If anything it’s been worse for her:

In 28yrs here, she has never had family, only felt loved/cared for once, never feeling a sense of belonging,kinship or friendship, only feeling abandoned, unworthy & unloved- her experiences here haven’t exactly been all sunshine & roses.

In her short stint in FTL, she quickly had a sense of family & felt loved/cared for (the moment with Snow in the castle), felt a sense of belonging (in what should have been her room), kinship/friendship (at 1st, of feeling like she was out of her depth with Aurora, then with Mulan, Aurora & Snow, by being able to constructively help with their mission to return to their family)…. So in that short time in FTL, she found all the things she’s being longing for in real world + pretty much everything that happened in FTL (other than the ogre, which I’ll be honest- Snow took down with little effort) was the result of Cora’s hand.

Besides, if they go back to FTL, I’m sure things would change a little as they built their kingdoms/land back up, incorporating some of the mod con’s they’ve come to enjoy here- like flushing toilets for instance 😉

[PriceofMagic]

@Surayya wrote:

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Regina isn’t going to harm Henry. She loves him and Emma knows this. With Cora gone, Storybrooke isn’t such a dangerous place. Tamara is keeping a low profile so she isn’t such an obvious danger to the other characters yet.

While I agree with you there- it’s only to a certain extent now, yes she loves him & I never used to think she’d harm him either, but is trying to find away to kill his entire bio family so she has him to herself, not harming him? (yes this could change again soon, but right now- this is where things stand).

I also disagree with you on how Emma feels, remember Emma has only ever seen Regina in moderate EQ mode once before (when Regina used magic on her, having been confronted about Archie) & she didn’t really take that too well then, telling her ‘she’d have nothing to do with Henry again’, now that was with magic being used against her, over a friend of the family being killed… Regina just stormed Gold’s with her mother, to take a magical dagger in order to effectively ‘rule’ them all, kill Snow, Charming & Emma (so Henry’s only family becomes Regina) & it was all right in front of her …. how is that a safe/healthy person for Henry to be around right now? (don’t get me wrong, I really like/love Regina as a character), but the fact is she has been involved in some horrific bad deeds, some of which are recent, that by real world standards would = locked up & never seeing your child again or even death. Add to this, Regina is in mourning over Cora, once that passes, she’ll have nothing left but to plan/act on getting Henry back- is it ok/safe for Henry- what if happened to get in the way again? Is the fact she would happily take out his entire bio family in the blink of an eye, if she could make Henry believe it wasn’t her ‘safe’ for Henry… the women is border line unhinged atm.

Regina would follow Henry back to FTL because she considers him to be her son. As we know “magic works differently here”. It is possible that both Regina and Rumple are limited in their magical capabilities whilst in Storybrooke whereas in FTL they can be full on. Would Emma really want to go against a full on magic evil queen in FTL? Also there would be other things in FTL for Emma to worry about than just Regina. Storybrooke is safer.

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Ogres could breed like rabbits. Even one ogre can cause enough problems. Would Emma really want to put Hnery in that sort of danger especially with his tendency to run off when he thinks he knows best?

I guess they could, however I’ll take ogres over an unhinged EQ any day- they are predictable & while strong, not smart or magic; she is unpredictable in her actions (if not intent), strong, smart & magical- so therefore by far the larger threat.
Also Henry’s tendency to run off is down to him being pushed out being a FTL child & being excluded from life altering decisions- it started when his mother (Regina), made him think he was crazy for thinking FTL was real, Regina again fostered his running off, by trying to force Emma/his bio mum (who Henry had tracked down himself), out of his life for ever, it reared up again when Charming failed to include Henry in any plans to find his mother & grandmother/beloved teacher & again when he was pushed aside & thought his bio family was out to kill his adopted mum- I can understand why he has a tendency to run off, but he’s not stupid! If there where ogres in SB forest, I doubt he’d have run off into it by himself 🙄

Henry tried to blow up magic using dynamite, his stupidity is questionable at times. Also there may be times when it would be inappropriate to involve a child in some decisions and that’s what Henry is, a child. What’s he going to do, run off every time he’s not allowed to be involved in decision making? In Storybrooke, the environment won’t kill him, in FTL, it very well could. With the ogres, I can see Henry taking it upon himself, to be “a hero”, because he had the line about being fed up of reading about heroes and wanting to be one. Henry obviously isn’t stupid enough to take on something he doesn’t know how to fight, the problem comes when Henry thinks he knows how to deal with something. For example, the ogres. The only way to kill them is shooting them in the face. Say Henry knows that, he goes out, finds himself an ogre and attempts to shoot it in the face. He misses.That ogre isn’t going to just stand there and wait for Henry to get it right, it’s going to kill him. Maybe Henry doesn’t even get to the point of shooting at the ogre. Upon seeing it, Henry may freeze up with fear, in the way that children do, that ogre isn’t going to wait for Henry to get his act together. When Emma told him about all she encountered in FTL, Henry thought it was “awesome”, it certainly wasn’t “awesome” for Emma. Henry has only read about FTL in his book, he hasn’t experienced the “reality” of it.

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Emma spent her entire life in this world, it’s all she’s known. Her first experience of FTL land was a confusing and unpleasent one. I don’t blame her for being a little hesitant to uproot her entire life to a place she didn’t even like being. Not forgetting how Charming remembers FTL is a lot different to what Emma and Snow experienced. Snow doesn’t want to go back to FTL, she’s just using Emma as an excuse.

You missed my point- she doesn’t actually have an ‘entire life’ here to uproot- she already said that in S1; the only place she has ‘settled’ isn’t actually part of ‘our’ world, it is a place magically created to exist with-in our world & if they left, her ‘entire world’ pretty much leaves with them, sure she’d have Henry, but he has already voted for FTL not real world. Emma wants her family around her as much as Snow does (if not more! They are still all living in a 2 bedroom apartment), so I cant see her staying if Charming wants to leave, Henry wants to leave, Snow wants her family together & her doubts about leaving are centered on not being certain Emma ‘wants’ to go to FTL, given Emma wants her family to be together & Henry to grow up in a safe, loving environment (this she can do in both worlds in all honesty).
Yes it wasn’t the nicest introduction to FTL she could have possibly hoped for- but how has real world been any better? If anything it’s been worse for her:

In 28yrs here, she has never had family, only felt loved/cared for once, never feeling a sense of belonging,kinship or friendship, only feeling abandoned, unworthy & unloved- her experiences here haven’t exactly been all sunshine & roses.

In her short stint in FTL, she quickly had a sense of family & felt loved/cared for (the moment with Snow in the castle), felt a sense of belonging (in what should have been her room), kinship/friendship (at 1st, of feeling like she was out of her depth with Aurora, then with Mulan, Aurora & Snow, by being able to constructively help with their mission to return to their family)…. So in that short time in FTL, she found all the things she’s being longing for in real world + pretty much everything that happened in FTL (other than the ogre, which I’ll be honest- Snow took down with little effort) was the result of Cora’s hand.

Besides, if they go back to FTL, I’m sure things would change a little as they built their kingdoms/land back up, incorporating some of the mod con’s they’ve come to enjoy here- like flushing toilets for instance 😉

Storybrooke is still “the real world”, even if it has magic. If Henry was kidnapped in Storybrooke, (so long as the kidnappers don’t use any magic beans) Emma would know Henry was still in Storybrooke because very few people can cross the town line without losing their memories. FTL is very vast. Someone with magic could kidnap Henry and take him to the otherside of FTL and it would take days for Emma to catch up to them, even longer if the magic kidnapper keeps moving around. Also, in Storybrooke, if Snow and Charming suddenly died, Emma would still be able to function without them. If Charming and Snow suddenly died in FTL, Emma would be up the creek without a paddle. The only reason Emma survived her last trip to FTL was because of Snow, without her Emma would’ve been killed by the ogre.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[surayya]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Regina would follow Henry back to FTL because she considers him to be her son. As we know “magic works differently here”. It is possible that both Regina and Rumple are limited in their magical capabilities whilst in Storybrooke whereas in FTL they can be full on. Would Emma really want to go against a full on magic evil queen in FTL? Also there would be other things in FTL for Emma to worry about than just Regina. Storybrooke is safer.

Possibly, but 1) that would require her to be able to portal jump & 2) Regina & Rumple are both perfectly capable of being their full on magical evil selves in storybrooke now magic is here, despite it function defferntly- as we have already seen.
Which is safer is totally up to our own opinion at this point- so I doubt we’ll agree there, I still feel FTL is the safer of the 2.

Henry tried to blow up magic using dynamite, his stupidity is questionable at times. Also there may be times when it would be inappropriate to involve a child in some decisions and that’s what Henry is, a child. What’s he going to do, run off every time he’s not allowed to be involved in decision making? In Storybrooke, the environment won’t kill him, in FTL, it very well could. With the ogres, I can see Henry taking it upon himself, to be “a hero”, because he had the line about being fed up of reading about heroes and wanting to be one. Henry obviously isn’t stupid enough to take on something he doesn’t know how to fight, the problem comes when Henry thinks he knows how to deal with something. For example, the ogres. The only way to kill them is shooting them in the face. Say Henry knows that, he goes out, finds himself an ogre and attempts to shoot it in the face. He misses.That ogre isn’t going to just stand there and wait for Henry to get it right, it’s going to kill him. Maybe Henry doesn’t even get to the point of shooting at the ogre. Upon seeing it, Henry may freeze up with fear, in the way that children do, that ogre isn’t going to wait for Henry to get his act together. When Emma told him about all she encountered in FTL, Henry thought it was “awesome”, it certainly wasn’t “awesome” for Emma. Henry has only read about FTL in his book, he hasn’t experienced the “reality” of it.

Again this comes down to either your understanding of the character or your opinion of him. Personally I wasn’t a Mensa member at age 10/11yrs & so I’m sure I wouldn’t have come up with the most intelligent possible way on earth to ‘get rid’ of the thing that I felt was causing my entire family to turn on itself.
Henry is at heart a FTL child, he has known what he is (for at least 3 or 4 yrs maybe longer) & what that means by extension…. Emma didn’t.
FTL children do things like throw themselves in portals, thinking it’ll save their family members, fight in wars- conscripted or not, wonder through the woods (you think are so very dangerous) by themselves gathering wood for their father & end up taking out a witch, play hide & seek, in those same dangerous woods & also think throwing dynamite into wells to destroy the magic destroying his family will work… that’s just the way ‘heroic’ FTL child/people are.
I will be clear here, if they went to FTL, it’s not like they aren’t going to learn to live there- He is already learning Swords play & equestrian care- it’s a start & practice makes perfect. I hardly think Charming or Snow would allow their family to sink rather giving them the tool to swim + if they did die shortly after arriving for some reason, Emma has a tone of friends who would help her until she had learnt the ropes. Beside’s what happens when the men in black roll up, with their plastic tents to ‘study’ magic & the effects of it in our world?! It is exactly what would happen.

Storybrooke is still “the real world”, even if it has magic. If Henry was kidnapped in Storybrooke, (so long as the kidnappers don’t use any magic beans) Emma would know Henry was still in Storybrooke because very few people can cross the town line without losing their memories. FTL is very vast. Someone with magic could kidnap Henry and take him to the otherside of FTL and it would take days for Emma to catch up to them, even longer if the magic kidnapper keeps moving around. Also, in Storybrooke, if Snow and Charming suddenly died, Emma would still be able to function without them. If Charming and Snow suddenly died in FTL, Emma would be up the creek without a paddle. The only reason Emma survived her last trip to FTL was because of Snow, without her Emma would’ve been killed by the ogre.

Again perception & understanding- I cant & wont call a place that didn’t exist for any non-FTL folk as ‘real world’ Even now that non-FTL folk can see it, FTL/magical folk cant leave without being stripped of their magical/FTL selves, so again- that isn’t ‘real world’ to me, as the town/area functions under a different rules to the rest of the planet as a whole.

As for kidnapping Henry, that’s way more problematic in our world than FTL:
In FTL they have ways to search for him & kingdoms to call upon who can search for him.
In our world, if he leaves SB, the only one who can go after him is Emma (& what if Regina takes him away), everyone else will loose their memories of who they were/are. Also if Emma gets the police or FBI involved, it gets even more problematic- because they live in a magical town, with magical people (how will that info not either have you thrown in the crazy ward or becoming a lab rat).

At the end of the day, I concede both options have their merits & drawbacks & are fairly even over all at this stage in which is the ‘safer’ or ‘better’ option. We all have our opinions on the matter which sway us one way or the other & I wont be able to change yours, as much as you cant change mine- until the show say’s otherwise 😉

[hjbau]

I actually think that Snow just wants to go where Emma goes, it isn’t that she doesn’t want to go back to fairytale land. She wants her family to be safe and together. I think that is all she is thinking about with regards to this plot, so if they decide they are safer in the Enchanted Forest then i could see them making that call.

I still think they would be safer in the Enchanted Forest all living together under one roof with guards and friends all working together. There may be ogres, but there is danger in the real world for sure. Driving in a car is probably more dangerous then ogres. And Regina can just walk in and take Henry if she wants to in the real world, at least in the other world there might be a way to set up some sort of protection or at least obstacles.

[Slurpeez]

Sorry, I haven’t had the chance to read through the pages here, but I have a question to pose. Assuming that Emma and the rest of the Charmings were to return to the EF, what would prevent Regina from returning there, too? She could gain access to the crop of magical beans being harvested in SB and follow after Henry to any world he’s in. She’s a powerful witch, and I doubt she’d have any trouble defeating Charming and the dwarves to get a bean. The only people who could possibly take on Regina are the BF (whose magic already has proven ineffective against Regina in SB), Emma (whose magic isn’t fully developed or tested yet) and Rumple (who wants Henry and Regina out of his way). I fail to see how returning to the EF would protect Henry from Regina.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[surayya]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Sorry, I haven’t had the chance to read through the pages here, but I have a question to pose. 1) Assuming that Emma and the rest of the Charmings were to return to the EF, what would prevent Regina from returning there, too? 2) She could gain access to the crop of magical beans being harvested in SB and follow after Henry to any world he’s in. 3) She’s a powerful witch, and I doubt she’d have any trouble defeating Charming and the dwarves to get a bean. 4) The only people who could possibly take on Regina are the BF (whose magic already has proven ineffective against Regina in SB), Emma (whose magic isn’t fully developed or tested yet) and Rumple (who wants Henry and Regina out of his way). 5) I fail to see how returning to the EF would protect Henry from Regina.

I can only answer by my way of thinking- who knows what A&E are planning 😉
1) She’d need a portal of her own.
2) True she could, but the same is easily said for staying here as well- whats to stop her taking some or all the magic beans + Henry & disappearing forever with both- so for me that’s a moot point 😉
3) Again moot point- Regina is powerful here or EF, that makes no difference, unless they can prevent her going back to FTL.
4) I agree with everything except Rumple wanting Henry outta the way- I think/ hope he will want to loose the dark ones power, rather than put Henry out of the way)!
5) They can prevent her from following OR there is the protection spell Rumple put on the Charming family, which protects them from Regina (stands to reason it should still apply, as the wardrobe still had active ‘portal’ magic). Regina is a threat here unless they could send her back to FTL & I cant see them doing that (not their style to inflict her on an entire world where she can use magic at will, better she stay here & only be able to use magic in an empty SB 😉 )

Again just my opinion 😉
Edited to add the protection spell reason 😉

[Myril]

Regina is a threat wherever they would go. Even if they figure out a way to keep Regina in one world while they go to another, there is no guarantee that it will last. As long as Regina doesn’t change or die (yup, that is an option, just saying, not saying she should die) it doesn’t matter where they go, they might find temporary relief but no happy ending.

As others said before, some decisions are in the end made for one. It’s not like Emma could really sit down, ponder all possibilities and reason all day long, which place might be better for her and Henry and family to stay, and where they would like to stay regardless whatever threats or neccessities excist. Regina is a threat, there is still Hook who quite sure will cause more mayhem, there are Greg and Tamara, and who knows who else will cause trouble. Emma hardly can take a breath.

That Emma is torn about which place to live doesn’t mean to me, that she will have really much of a choice in the end. But it would have been strange if she wouldn’t be torn about it. She did not just live most of her life in our world, she grew up here, as unhappy as it was for her in the foster system. And I don’t think that all is already fine with her and her parents, that the bonding is all done and no doubts there anymore, so as much as she wants to be with them I’m not sure it is enough yet to give all up on our world.

In the Enchanted Forest Emma would be a princess, the next queen. Some might find that very tempting but it comes with expectations and responsibilities, being a person people look up at and expect to handle a lot for them, being in the spotlight most of the time. If you want to be any good sovereign you can’t sit back because you have a bad hair day or just feel like it, you care, you act, you have to function no matter what. It can be very satisfying, giving you purpose and meaning in life, and it can be at the same time a burden. It can be a scary thought. Remember how Emma wanted to run when things got more serious than she liked it? That Emma is not all gone.

Think that this burden of expectations is something Snow feels and wishes sometimes to get out of it: be just someone, a teacher at primeray school, having a loving husband, kids, some pets, a household to take care of … no politics, no worries about bigger things than the next Sunday lunch and how her grandson will look in the school play. Someone who can make mistakes without risking the lives of everybody in the kingdom.

The Enchanted Forest as it is now is a zone ravaged by the Dark Curse. It’s not just the Ogres, it looked to me like a rather baren land, food hard to find, everything pretty much in ruins, no nice bathrooms, no hot and not even cold running water, no hospital anywhere close by, no supermarkets. This would be no camping adventure vacation, going back to the Enchanted Forest means pretty much to start from scratch. Oh, wait, there is magic, they could use that to rebuild in no time … but something gives me the feeling, they won’t, they can’t even. As I see it magic draws from the resources that are and works with them, and when there is not much left it might be not that helpful either, not enough to rebuild in short time. I still suspect that the Dark Curse didn’t just take the people away, it might have exhausted the magical realms. It might come back, magic and all, but it will take time (H and K might have a different take on this though).

On the other hand here in this world magic might have no place. They are aliens to our world, freaks, a sensation at best. As long as magic exists in Storybrooke they might be at risk, there will always be someone tempted to exploit it for better or for worse.

If Neal is any factor for Emma’s thoughts about where to live then more speaks for our world. Guess Neal considers any place good where there is no magic, any place where his father would be his father and not the Dark One, not being able to us magic at all.

¯\_(?????? ?)_/¯

[surayya]

Just remembered the curse/spell from S1 that Rumple but on Regina, preventing her hurting or killing Snow & Charming “while in FTL“…. the whole reason Rumple was able to get Regina to cast ‘The Curse’ to bring them to our world… If this magic is still in effect there, then it’s possible that protection applies to the whole Snowing family (cant see them allowing Regina to go free, unless Snowing knew their future daughter & grandchildren were also safe from harm).
So they would all be allot safer from Regina there than here, if that’s the case… I’m not sure if Emma knows about this or not yet, but that could play a role for things as they stand.

[lisas]

@Surayya wrote:

Just remembered the curse/spell from S1 that Rumple but on Regina, preventing her hurting or killing Snow & Charming “while in FTL“…. the whole reason Rumple was able to get Regina to cast ‘The Curse’ to bring them to our world… If this magic is still in effect there, then it’s possible that protection applies to the whole Snowing family (cant see them allowing Regina to go free, unless Snowing knew their future daughter & grandchildren were also safe from harm).
So they would all be allot safer from Regina there than here, if that’s the case… I’m not sure if Emma knows about this or not yet, but that could play a role for things as they stand.

I have to agree Surayya. I have to wonder at some point if Snow or David will tell Emma about the protection spell in the Enchanted Forest that Rumple created. I would think that the protection spell wouldn’t just apply only to Snow & David it makes sense that the same spell would extend to their daughter Emma and their grandson Henry.

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[Slurpeez]

@Surayya wrote:

Just remembered the curse/spell from S1 that Rumple but on Regina, preventing her hurting or killing Snow & Charming “while in FTL“…. the whole reason Rumple was able to get Regina to cast ‘The Curse’ to bring them to our world… If this magic is still in effect there, then it’s possible that protection applies to the whole Snowing family (cant see them allowing Regina to go free, unless Snowing knew their future daughter & grandchildren were also safe from harm).
So they would all be allot safer from Regina there than here, if that’s the case… I’m not sure if Emma knows about this or not yet, but that could play a role for things as they stand.

That’s a really good point; Snow White would certainly be safest in the EF since Regina has it out for her. Would the protection spell work on Snow’s and Charming’s descendants though? I have my doubts, but I’d like to see that come into play.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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