Emma’s Choice About Which World To Live In

[kfchimera]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

@Surayya wrote:

Just remembered the curse/spell from S1 that Rumple but on Regina, preventing her hurting or killing Snow & Charming “while in FTL“…. the whole reason Rumple was able to get Regina to cast ‘The Curse’ to bring them to our world… If this magic is still in effect there, then it’s possible that protection applies to the whole Snowing family (cant see them allowing Regina to go free, unless Snowing knew their future daughter & grandchildren were also safe from harm).
So they would all be allot safer from Regina there than here, if that’s the case… I’m not sure if Emma knows about this or not yet, but that could play a role for things as they stand.

That’s a really good point; Snow White would certainly be safest in the EF since Regina has it out for her. Would the protection spell work on Snow’s and Charming’s descendants though? I have my doubts, but I’d like to see that come into play.

I agree, it is a good point, and could be significant. The writers could plausibly write the protection either way. Since they have portrayed Rumpel as a stingy son of a gun, not the type to throw in extras for free, my guess is the curse would be limited to just Snow and Charming. We don’t really know that for sure though, but I think it is the more likely direction given what Snow said to Regina in the Cricket game.
Here is a quote from the transcripts.

Evil Queen: That’s impossible.

Snow White: No, that’s magic.

(Prince Charming and several guards enter.)

Prince Charming: And this time, it wasn’t thanks to fairies.

(He holds up the blindfold used during the Evil Queen’s execution.)

Prince Charming: Rumpelstiltskin. He took one of your hairs from this, and used it to fashion a protection spell.

Evil Queen: No…

Prince Charming: Now there’s nothing you can do in this land to hurt Snow or me. You’re powerless against us.

Evil Queen: You tricked me.

Snow White: It wasn’t a trick. It was a test – one that I had truly hoped you’d pass.

Prince Charming: We wanted to give you a chance to change, Regina.

Snow White: Regina, you are banished. Banished to live alone with your misery.

Prince Charming: As long as you’re alive in this world, you can’t hurt us.

Snow White: You saved my life once, and now I’ve saved yours. So we’re even. And if you ever try to hurt anyone in my kingdom again, I will kill you.

So Snow’s threat implies that Snow at least thinks Regina could try to hurt someone else in the Kingdom besides herself or Charming (since he says “you can’t hurt us”), rather than thinking Regina would be powerless to attack anyone else.

[Slurpeez]

@KFChimera wrote:

Snow White: You saved my life once, and now I’ve saved yours. So we’re even. And if you ever try to hurt anyone in my kingdom again, I will kill you.

So Snow’s threat implies that Snow at least thinks Regina could try to hurt someone else in the Kingdom besides herself or Charming (since he says “you can’t hurt us”), rather than thinking Regina would be powerless to attack anyone else.

Thanks for that transcript. Now that my memory is refreshed, I think the protection spell only applies to Snow and Charming in the EF. Since as you said, Rumple doesn’t give something for nothing. Also, I wonder if Snow White will end up killing Regina, since Regina certainly has tried to hurt Emma but ended up hurting Henry in 1×22. Also, Regina teamed up with Cora and tried to kill Snow’s entire family in 2×16.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[PriceofMagic]

Snow killed Cora so she may feel that evens things up between her and Regina.

Would Snow be capable of killing Regina? She struggled over Cora’s death by her hand, Regina’s death would be worse.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[vilya]

Personally I think that this whole season has been leading up to the point of Emma and her magic. Rumple, Cora, Regina all used their magic for their own personal gain and have paid the price for it. Emma isn’t there yet, but I think she will have to deal with the questions of how far should she go to protect Henry with her magic…and do fully explore that I think that she will have to go to FTL, and that may be the reason she chooses to go there.

[surayya]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

@KFChimera wrote:

Snow White: You saved my life once, and now I’ve saved yours. So we’re even. And if you ever try to hurt anyone in my kingdom again, I will kill you.

So Snow’s threat implies that Snow at least thinks Regina could try to hurt someone else in the Kingdom besides herself or Charming (since he says “you can’t hurt us”), rather than thinking Regina would be powerless to attack anyone else.

Thanks for that transcript. Now that my memory is refreshed, I think the protection spell only applies to Snow and Charming in the EF. Since as you said, Rumple doesn’t give something for nothing. Also, I wonder if Snow White will end up killing Regina, since Regina certainly has tried to hurt Emma but ended up hurting Henry in 1×22. Also, Regina teamed up with Cora and tried to kill Snow’s entire family in 2×16.

Since it’s made up of Regina’s essence (aka hair), but designed to prevent her from “harming” or killing both Snow & David, I’d think it’d still apply to any direct decedents of the 2 it was designed to protect- as harm coming to them, could cause “harm” to Snowing (& yes A&E could spin that another way 😉 )- since those are pretty much the rules they’ve come up with for Emma’s power (being the product of ‘true love’ of Snowing = her having them/it).

Also they
1) Knew at that point Snow would have at least one child.
2) Both had already dealt with Rumple at least once before- so his tactics wouldn’t have been new to them.
3) Rumple went to them, not them to him- you’d have to be mad not to dot your ‘I’s’ & cross your ‘T”s in that situation.
& maybe most importantly: 4) We have the fact that Rumple at that point had the Snowing true love potion as the ‘curse breaker’, so he’d want to ensure Regina couldn’t kill said curse breaker child/infant, BEFORE he was in our land (it was him who told Regina the child would break the curse in the 1st place- why say that unless he knew with 100% certainty that she couldn’t be harmed by Regina? As at that stage Regina wasn’t even ‘set’ on killing her father to activate the curse!)
So for me it goes without saying (esp if dealing with Rumple!) That if you are wanting protection from someone, you include your family.

I took the wording “If you harm anyone in our kingdom again” …to mean their friends ie. Red, Grumpy etc. Since I doubt even Rumple could protect (or want to, since he wanted the curse activated), a whole realm from one person with a single hair 😉

Thinking back, I do wonder if part of the reason why Cora couldn’t take Emma’s heart was in part to do with that protection spell…. We simply don’t know if it applies to all of the bloodline, or is just restricted to a single individual, so I guess all we can do is speculate on that matter until the powers that be (A&E) have spoken 😉

I’m not sure if endgame will be Emma or Snow killing Regina TBH- she’d have to be about to or in the process of actually killing Henry, Emma, Snow or Charming for Henry to be ‘understanding’ about it.

[PriceofMagic]

I think Rumple’s protection spell only applies to Snow and Charming not being harmed by Regina.

Rumple needed Regina to cast the curse, he needed her to want to cast the curse hence the clause in the protection spell: Regina couldn’t harm Snow or Charming in “this land” (EF). However, in the Pilot, Charming was nearly killed by Regina’s soldiers and had Emma not gotten away, she would have most likely been killed too. The soldiers were following Regina’s orders, therefore Regina was indirectly harming the Charmings, she just can’t physically harm them by her own hand.

Regina’s vendetta was against Snow. That was the main problem so Rumple offered Snow and Charming the solution to that problem. Once Regina found she couldn’t harm Snow, she was wallowing in misery in her castle until Rumple gave her the idea to use the curse. Maleficent “soldiered on” after her defeat by going after Sleeping Beauty’s daughter. Since Emma wasn’t around at that time, going after her wasn’t an option for Regina. Rumple needed Snow to worry about her unborn child in order to come to him so he could get Emma’s name. If Emma was already protected from Regina by the protection spell, what reason would Snow have to seek answers from him?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[surayya]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I think Rumple’s protection spell only applies to Snow and Charming not being harmed by Regina.

Rumple needed Regina to cast the curse, he needed her to want to cast the curse hence the clause in the protection spell: Regina couldn’t harm Snow or Charming in “this land” (EF). However, in the Pilot, Charming was nearly killed by Regina’s soldiers and had Emma not gotten away, she would have most likely been killed too. The soldiers were following Regina’s orders, therefore Regina was indirectly harming the Charmings, she just can’t physically harm them by her own hand.

Regina’s vendetta was against Snow. That was the main problem so Rumple offered Snow and Charming the solution to that problem. Once Regina found she couldn’t harm Snow, she was wallowing in misery in her castle until Rumple gave her the idea to use the curse. Maleficent “soldiered on” after her defeat by going after Sleeping Beauty’s daughter. Since Emma wasn’t around at that time, going after her wasn’t an option for Regina. Rumple needed Snow to worry about her unborn child in order to come to him so he could get Emma’s name. If Emma was already protected from Regina by the protection spell, what reason would Snow have to seek answers from him?

…Because Regina was going to “take everything she loved, every thing they all (the entire realm) love from them all forever” & that “she will destroy their happiness if it was the last thing she did” (quoted from the wedding scene) So it wasn’t all “just” about Snowing- it was the entire kingdom’s future at stake..why would they not go- they don’t know know what she has planned, they are the rulers of that land & all the people who had been threatened in it.

Like I said- Why tell Regina Emma will break the curse if she hasn’t already ‘cowboyed up’ to cast it then? That could have easily had her waiting until Emma was born to kill her (if Emma wasn’t covered by the protection spell), then cast said curse in order to ensure it was NEVER broken- it’s not like she didn’t easily storm their castle after all & if she could kill Snowing’s children, why bother casting the curse anyway? Killing their children would destroy Snow & Charming, so Regina could have simply got her revenge that way.

For Rumple, who is prone to hedging his bets, if Emma wasn’t protected, it was a big risk, given his ‘sight’ isn’t fool proof & I just cant see him taking that risk, given it would cost him getting to Bae when he was so close….

But if Regina already knew she couldn’t harm the child in FTL, due to the protection spell, she’d cast said curse anyway & simply ‘remove’ the treat, when in our world (not knowing Rumple had already ‘hedged his bet’ there by giving them the idea to send her through before the curse hit, so Emma would be safe until required to fill his purpose).

As has been said before A&E could take it both ways, as both sides have valid points- we’ll just have to wait & see how that plays out. I’m personally inclined to think it makes more sense than not, that at least Snowing & Emma (since she is ‘pure’ Snowing) are covered & most likely Henry.

[PriceofMagic]

I can see your point about why Emma would most likely be protected. I don’t know about Henry, he was born in our world where there is no magic and because he’s not pure Snowing, the magic may not be as effective.

Also I kind of don’t want Emma and Henry to be protected by Rumple’s protection spell because it takes away an element of danger for Henry and Emma. Obviously neither of those two is going to be killed off, but the thought that they could be is what’ll keep audiences glued to their seats.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[hjbau]

The protection spell has to imply only to Snow and Charming because Regina was going to try and kill Emma as a baby right before the curse.

[surayya]

She just wanted the child with her as the curse hit was what I has always thought.

I still stand by what I said- Rumple designed that curse as a means of him getting to our world & Bae- there is no way he’d have risked that when so close if Regina could kill Emma in FTL.
If she couldn’t touch Emma in FTL, then events make much more sense- It would also mean Rumple gets his wish either way…Regina storms castle for the child, but cant touch said child there, so has to in act curse & dispose of child in our world, meaning rumple gets his memories & Bae back, without having to wait 28yrs.
If the Snowings manage to get Emma off before Regina hits them, Rumple still gets transported to our world by the curse & in 28yrs gets his memories & Bae back.

Risking all that by having Regina able to kill Emma & her see the fact it’d destroy Snow & Charming & leave them suffering the worst way possible for parents, would SERIOUSLY harm the chances of his getting to our world via the curse that he had invested so much time & energy into.

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