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Two things:
1. I guarantee they will go with because Hook “died” his whole neck wound thing is gonzo. Which is ehh. But whatever.
2. I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that Emma can take her own heart. Why would the power of true love and the savior, which prevents others from taking her heart also prevent her from taking it if she so desires? It should protect her from enemies who want to take her heart, but also shouldn’t restrict her from being able to take it herself.
But as far as the splitting hearts thing…I mean I was barely ok with it when Snowing did it, but gave the show a pass because they are the epitome of true love which helped enact the dark curse. If now anyone in love can just split their heart to save their significant other, well that’s pushing it, and even diminishes the original effect of snowing doing it back in season 3B.
[adrotate group="5"]They’ve absolutely butchered Emma’s character beyond recognition. In fact they’ve butchered all the main characters. Wouldn’t it be funny if when contracts come up for renewal, everyone turns around and says no?
I’d laugh. But maybe that’s just me. 😉
They’ve absolutely butchered Emma’s character beyond recognition. In fact they’ve butchered all the main characters. Wouldn’t it be funny if when contracts come up for renewal, everyone turns around and says no?
Unless time passes really differently in the Underworld, they might have other problems. Is there a cryogenic chamber stashed away somewhere in SB? Unless it’s suddenly revealed that Hook has somehow achieved sainthood and his mortal remains are imperishable, of course.
About Emma’s heart — my guess is that she can take it out. But since this is the stated intent, I’m going to guess they won’t do that, since, essentially, the audience expects it. Either she won’t be able to take it out, or it’ll be revealed (likely by Hades) that it’s just not enough. My bet is that someone’s going to be sacrificed. They’ve already stated that the rules are a soul for a soul. I’m predicting another main character death in 5b. My money’s on Rumple.
Either she won’t be able to take it out, or it’ll be revealed (likely by Hades) that it’s just not enough. My bet is that someone’s going to be sacrificed. They’ve already stated that the rules are a soul for a soul. I’m predicting another main character death in 5b. My money’s on Rumple.The absolute worst way they could do this is by Rumple and Milah realizing they’re mistakes and falling back in love, and having his son Baelfire back….it’d be like a twisted happily ever after for them, only they’re happy ending is being together and happy in the Underworld. Kinda like Ingrid, Gerda, and Helga’s happy ending was reuniting together in death…..I saw this theory on Tumblr….and at the rate OUAT is going with Bobby’s contract set to end this season if not renewed….I don’t think I’d put it past Adam and Eddy to do this horrid storytelling. I think this sets the standard as our absolute worst case scenario.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
.I don’t think I’d put it past Adam and Eddy to do this horrid storytelling. I think this sets the standard as our absolute worst case scenario.
Absolutely. THE worse possible scenario. But, sadly, not unlikely. I think the writers have been flailing about with writing Rumple’s since 3B, for obvious reasons. Along with Regina and Emma, he’s been one of their most complicated characters, and I think with this latest “re-evilification” they’re essentially trying to wrap up Rumple’s storyline without wrapping up the show. Making him unlikeable by, once again, making him gratuitously evil, and resetting him to be once more the main antagonist to Hook, (whom much of the fandom adores), is one way to kill two birds with one stone: 1) lead up to a situation where they can get rid of a character that’s become too complex and unwieldy, and 2) do it in a way that scores some points with one part of the audience while potentially minimizing the damage elsewhere (hence Rumple = inherently evil, since this means that some of the fans will de-invest).
Is it lazy and crap storytelling? Sure. But Rumple’s not alone. Both Regina and Emma, the other two central figures of the show, have been reduced to nothing more than their romantic pairings. All their activity on screen is directed towards the maintenance of their romances. Remember the time when Regina was mayor? Running a town? Ruling her subjects? Raising Henry? Generating crises? Averting crises? Remember the time when Emma was a kick-butt bounty hunter? Working as the town’s sheriff? Saving everyone?
Vaguely? Yeah, me too.
Unless time passes really differently in the Underworld, they might have other problems. Is there a cryogenic chamber stashed away somewhere in SB?
I think that time will pass diferent there, i sense in a type of way like Narnia, but in the opposite way, in UW few time will pass while in SB several months will pass, i mean if they intend to show belle pregnant and Emilie is like maybe 5/6months, they cant just say only one week passed in SB. But then again, i really expected for Rumple to end dying, but expect that 1st a RB TLK happens and Rumple ends sacrificing himself after, but i also dont expect that Rumple ends giving his life for Hook, and from Adam and eddie words after u get closure u dont stay there, wherever that place is UW or purgatory,( of course i dont see them even mention what happens when u get closure,so i dont see them showing afterlife for the person that gets behind, this if someone gets behind). But they can always have hook body protected like Regina protected daniel or whatever in case of time pass.
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There is no chance in hell that Rumple would willingly sacrifice himself for Hook. Though considering how selfish the “heroes” are, it wouldn’t surprise me if they did screw Rumple over because who cares so long as THEY get what they want. They’ll leave Belle heartbroken that her true love did not return but so long as Emma is happy and Hook is alive, why on earth should they care about Belle?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThough considering how selfish the “heroes” are, it wouldn’t surprise me if they did screw Rumple over because who cares so long as THEY get what they want.
Yes, that would be my guess. It wouldn’t be the first time where they’re willing to thrown Rumple under the bus, and since he’s now a card carrying villain again (and apparently willingly so), I think from the writers’ perspective, it opens that narrative possibility. If Rumple’s irredeemable, then this means it’s no holds barred. I predict a Cora-like ending along the lines of “you would’ve been enough.”
The absolute worst way they could do this is by Rumple and Milah realizing they’re mistakes and falling back in love, and having his son Baelfire back….it’d be like a twisted happily ever after for them, only they’re happy ending is being together and happy in the Underworld
Please don’t give the writers ideas.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Absolutely. THE worse possible scenario. But, sadly, not unlikely. I think the writers have been flailing about with writing Rumple’s since 3B, for obvious reasons. Along with Regina and Emma, he’s been one of their most complicated characters, and I think with this latest “re-evilification” they’re essentially trying to wrap up Rumple’s storyline without wrapping up the show. Making him unlikeable by, once again, making him gratuitously evil, and resetting him to be once more the main antagonist to Hook, (whom much of the fandom adores), is one way to kill two birds with one stone: 1) lead up to a situation where they can get rid of a character that’s become too complex and unwieldy, and 2) do it in a way that scores some points with one part of the audience while potentially minimizing the damage elsewhere (hence Rumple = inherently evil, since this means that some of the fans will de-invest).
I had predicted that Rumple would die at the end of S4. I was proven wrong and thought they might go a decidedly different route for the rest of S5 since he was Hat-Sucked and Heroized. Turns out not so much. So your scenario sounds like pretty much spot on.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I had predicted that Rumple would die at the end of S4. I was proven wrong and thought they might go a decidedly different route for the rest of S5 since he was Hat-Sucked and Heroized.
Yikes, maybe we should start yet another “The End of Rumple” thread — I don’t want to coopt the original focus on Emma’s heart. Anyway, feel free to move this if it gets too off topic (or long-winded):
Anyway, here’s my Rumple’s on the way out theory. I remember thinking the same thing last season. Here’s one possible guess: I think A&E probably have a sense of how much more they can squeeze out of OUAT before reception drops below a critical threshold and they get cancelled. Just that list of numbers in the ratings thread is quite telling. My guess is that they were planning to kill him off at the end of S4, with the assumption that S5 would be the last season, at which point they’d have their hands untied in terms of having to retain as much of their audience as they can. (If RC’s contract stipulates 5 years, then he could have been kept around as DO!Rumple). So it might have been that Rumple’s gone => Emma = Dark Swan, final season, the end.
But then maybe by mid S4 the numbers came back more positive than anticipated and a S6 became at least a possibility. If so, then it would have been a good call to delay Rumple’s demise, so that they could milk one more non-final season out of the character’s fans. Hence the whole nonsense with the hat suction and all that.
(I wonder if the dropping of the Camelot plot is a reaction to an anticipated renewal.) Either way, I really think this is the last arc for Rumple, precisely because S6 is likely, but also likely the last one based on the numbers. Rumple started as a complicated villain, and hence potentially redeemable, but now they have too many of those, and they need a contrast. Hence retconning him beyond recognition (ie he’s ALWAYS been a coward obsessed with power, never mind everything else). The possibility of an irredeemable/inherent villain isn’t the original premise of OUAT, but by S4 that original premise was negated when they introduced Cruella.
My guess? And sorry for the cynicism — I think Rumple’s annoying to the writers in part because they can’t quite shippify him: essentially what they did to Emma and Regina by devoting all their activity to ship work. (Because he’s a male character, and unlike Hook and Robin, has too much of a fleshed out backstory). They have to come up with more complicated motivations, but these writers just don’t have it in them anymore — I honestly think they’re just, you know, tired. It’s not just Rumple — the entire show is now, by and large, a soap. I think the focus on the romances isn’t just pandering to overzealous fans, it allows the writers to “coast” while exerting the least effort possible. If the formula works, why mess with a good thing — soaps are usually the longest lived TV shows anyway.
On Rumbelle: I don’t think that this is a pairing the writers have ever been invested in (like they are in CS, for example). I think Rumbelle was by and large a fluke: the product of Jane Espenson’s talented dialogue writing, and of RC’s and EdR’s acting abilities and good screen chemistry. But, looking back at it now, I don’t think there was ever a plan or a telos to the relationship. It’s written in a way that’s both extremely repetitive and sort of “opportunistic” in that it’s just there to plug the holes left by the other characters. The telos — that they are meant to be together in the end — is more of a fandom phenomenon. RC and EdR carry the script, sort of, because they’re talented actors, but I don’t see the writers being invested in exploring their stories, either as individual characters, or as a pairing.
As to how they might handle EdR’s pregnancy: Well, that probably threw a bit of a monkey wrench into the whole thing. My guess is that they’ll go for maximum drama, and have Rumple die — in this case, Belle will presumably be raising the kid alone. No shame, Regina did it. If they want to really crank up the melodrama, they’ll have her die in childbirth, and the baby will be raised by, presumably, one of our favorite hero couples. Thus demonstrating their magnanimous forgiveness of all the evil Rumple has done to them. Or something. Will that anger parts of the fandom? You bet. But then, #bold storytelling, remember?
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