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September 27, 2015 at 9:02 pm #308533RumplesGirlKeymaster
Emma managed to fight off the Dark One’s Curse for quite awhile, but finally fell to it. What do you think pushed her over the edge? How long did it take? And, can she come back from being the Dark One?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"September 27, 2015 at 9:08 pm #308539WickedRegalParticipantWhat pushed her over the edge?
Emma says her family did something to her…which would fall in line with “Evil isn’t born, it’s made.”I’m willing to wager Emma killed someone.
How long did it take?
Six weeks….two weeks fighting off, one week entertaining the idea, final two weeks falling into the darkness.
Can she come back from it?
My Headcannon is that either Merlin strips away the darkness from Emma, or she willingly dies thus taking all the darkness with her thus making 5B about resurrecting Emma. Though I’m leaning more so towards Emma sacrificing herself in the end to rid the world of the Dark One once and for all, evidence hints toward her telling Regina “if need be, destroy me.”
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September 27, 2015 at 9:24 pm #308546RumplesGirlKeymasterI’m willing to wager Emma killed someone.
That’s my thought as well. I had thought that she reforged the dagger and Excalibur but she has the small dagger still, so it’s obviously not joined.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"September 27, 2015 at 10:10 pm #308552JosephineParticipantOkay, we were talking about what could send Emma over the edge and here is my prediction. Putting it in spoiler codes.
Because Ruby coming back is technically a spoiler I’ll put the theory here: Ruby wasn’t returned for some reason with the others back to Storybrook last time. Maybe she was in her wolf form and animals can’t transfer. I don’t know. Just that she never came back. They did say we’d find out what was going on with Ruby. Emma for some reason, or no reason at all, kills Ruby, ripping her heart out and crushing it. Realizing what she’s done, she erases the Storybrook gang’s memories and they’re transported back to Storybrook with no memories of this heinous act. Her last act before finally submitting to the darkness.
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September 27, 2015 at 10:15 pm #308554RumplesGirlKeymasterThe incident with Merida felt very much like foreshadowing. Emma almost goes dark by almost killing someone. Last season Emma did end up going over the “dark” line when she DID kill someone. It’s a theme with Emma, apparently. I can see her going fully dark because she murdered someone–either because she thought it was the right thing to do (for reasons) or because she simply lost control for one moment.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"September 27, 2015 at 11:00 pm #308566AmdillaeParticipantThe incident with Merida felt very much like foreshadowing. Emma almost goes dark by almost killing someone. Last season Emma did end up going over the “dark” line when she DID kill someone. It’s a theme with Emma, apparently. I can see her going fully dark because she murdered someone–either because she thought it was the right thing to do (for reasons) or because she simply lost control for one moment.
I think it has to be option 1 if we are heading down this path just because of warning she is given in the opening scene, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is still the wrong thing and will lead down the wrong path.
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September 28, 2015 at 12:43 am #308586KebParticipantOne more opportunity lost by killing off Neal, though: He could have contrasted Emma’s transformation with his father’s.
Ah well. This show is wonderful but it’s an Oregon trail left littered with the graves of lost opportunities to reach its full potential.
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September 28, 2015 at 1:22 am #308590GaultheriaParticipantI think Eeeeeevul Emma at the end of the episode would be bragging about murder or whatever, instead of erasing everyone’s memory of it. Something else is going on, and the Dark One is not in control of it.
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September 28, 2015 at 1:26 am #308591kranenParticipantOkay, we were talking about what could send Emma over the edge and here is my prediction. Putting it in spoiler codes.
Because Ruby coming back is technically a spoiler I’ll put the theory here: Ruby wasn’t returned for some reason with the others back to Storybrook last time. Maybe she was in her wolf form and animals can’t transfer. I don’t know. Just that she never came back. They did say we’d find out what was going on with Ruby. Emma for some reason, or no reason at all, kills Ruby, ripping her heart out and crushing it. Realizing what she’s done, she erases the Storybrook gang’s memories and they’re transported back to Storybrook with no memories of this heinous act. Her last act before finally submitting to the darkness.
Except we know that Ruby did come back with everyone last time because we saw her quite a few times in Present Day SB in 3B.
September 28, 2015 at 5:35 am #308594PheeParticipantI found Emma and Rumple’s interaction in this ep quite enjoyable, they played off each other really well, both actors were terrific.
But all that good stuff is overshadowed by how random it was that this is how the Dark One curse is affecting Emma, when it’s not what we’ve seen previously. Rumple didn’t ooze out of the Vault, and he didn’t have Zoso haunting his thoughts. He stabbed the guy, the dark magic went into him, and BOOM, DONE. They made no attempt to explain why it’s happening differently this time, so no matter how well it’s been acted thus far, the whole premise is really rather annoying to me.
One more opportunity lost by killing off Neal, though: He could have contrasted Emma’s transformation with his father’s.
Ah well. This show is wonderful but it’s an Oregon trail left littered with the graves of lost opportunities to reach its full potential.
I fully believe that from day 1 they had always planned to have their Saviour go all Dark One at some point in the show’s run. I fully believe that that’s why they had her fall in love with and have a child with the son of the Dark One, because it would make for a compelling story when it got to the part where she herself took on the curse. It was the perfect setup to continue the story, to have some consistency between the distant past and the present, in a way that would make an emotional impact. The curse that Neal had failed at saving his father from, had now consumed the woman he loved, his son was now in the same position he himself had been. Seeing how they all dealt with that could have been a wonderfully heartfelt story. But alas, things happened, and now here we are. *SIGH*
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