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Even so, Henry could’ve willingly kissed his mom just because he was glad to see her. Bata bing.
Yes, but we can’t have a logical solution to an illogical problem, now can we? Ok, in all seriousness — would a hug/relieved kiss from the kiddo work as a TLK? Would a routine peck shared by an established, long-married couple have curse breaking potential? I get a feeling that the answer is no — they wouldn’t have enough gravitas. Now, if ever OUAT did go there, I’d be seriously impressed. In fact, have a toddler run up to their parent and kiss them and break their curse — totally by accident. Just because it’s a toddler, and, you know, they love mama or dada because they’re mama or dada. Or have the boring couple share that tired peck on the cheek at the end of a long day, and boom, no more curse! Now, that sort of reinterpretation of TLK will blow my mind. But sadly I don’t think we’ll ever see anything like that on OUAT — doesn’t make for a good story
Call me a pessimist.I’ve wondered this since Season 1 ; what requirements come with TLK? We saw in Season 1, Snow drank a potion from Rumple that made her forget Charming. When charming kissed her to try and break the curse, it did not work. However, when she saw him take an arrow from her and SHE initiated the kiss, the curse was broken and she remembered her Prince. It seems to me that TLK must come in a very emotional moment (of course, this works better for storytelling too). Snow had her curse broken when she realized someone took an arrow for her he cared so much. Rumple’s curse was (almost) broken when Belle returned to him and he never expected to see her again. Regina’s curse was broken when Emma thought Henry had died and she was saying her final goodbye to him. And so on.
Emma was for sure emotional in that moment and saw how much her family cared for her that they came all the way to the Enchanted Forest to save her. It seems to me that if TLK must be done at a time of extreme emotion, that would have been a good call. But of course, taking Emma from the darkness in the first Episode would take away this seasons plot, so no TLK for this DO anytime soon.
[adrotate group="5"]My issue with TLK and Emma right now is that she shouldn’t need it. She is TL Incarnate; she shouldn’t actually need any assistance from anyone. Her own magical and powerful self should be enough if TL really is the most powerful there is. I really (really really really reallyreally) don’t wan her curse to be broken via TLK–from anyone.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So I read this meta on True Love’s Kiss and I would like to share it with you all: http://mariequitecontrarie.tumblr.com/post/129140370727/true-loves-kiss
nevermore wrote: Yes, but we can’t have a logical solution to an illogical problem, now can we? Ok, in all seriousness — would a hug/relieved kiss from the kiddo work as a TLK? Would a routine peck shared by an established, long-married couple have curse breaking potential?
Henry has been keen to save his mother, along with Emma’s parents, Hook and the rest of them. So I find it curious that none of the characters even suggested it. There may not be enough “gravitas” for the sake of the show (I fully get that TLK question has to carry out over at least 11 episodes), but it’s interesting to note the length to which the writers went to avoid the elephant in the room. Henry and Emma hugged, as as did Emma and Hook, yet neither one even attempted to kiss Emma. Weird!
My issue with TLK and Emma right now is that she shouldn’t need it. She is TL Incarnate; she shouldn’t actually need any assistance from anyone.
While I 100% agree that Emma ought to be the one to save herself as she has before, I’m very surprised that no one even thought to mention TLK — not even Hook. Goodness knows he’d like to be the one to save Emma, so the fact that his character didn’t even mention it or attempt it is odd, especially since he’s been so keen to try it before. I’m not saying a kiss from him would’ve worked, merely that he didn’t try, which struck me as very strange, especially given how much Hook and Emma usually lock lips.
The fact that Emma is still the dark one 6 weeks later indicates that either no one tried kissing her or they did and it didn’t work…Come to think of it, I’m wondering if Regina is going to be the one to save Emma. As odd as that sounds, Emma did give the former evil queen clear instructions “save me as I saved you.” Perhaps Regina has to take up the mantel of new savior and use light magic to neutralize the dark magic enveloping Emma. After 6 weeks, they all came back to SB and Emma said there was no savior in town and yet Regina was dressed in red (the color heavily associated with savior Emma).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
You know what really bugs me? This exchange:
Captain Guyliner: Emma, why are you doing this?
Borg Queen Dark Swan: Because I am the Dark One.
Great reason A/E! Emma’s being evil because she’s had wickedness thrust upon her. It’s not like her predecessor did all these crazy things just to find his son or anything. THAT’s what bugs me the most about the ending; not the amnesia, the “For the EVULZ” attitude of the scene.
Yes I do hope there is a deeper motivation behind whatever Emma ends up doing besides “totes evil now, guyz.” What made Rumple compelling as the DO (at least in the beginning) was that his end goal was ultimately human and very sympathetic.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes I do hope there is a deeper motivation behind whatever Emma ends up doing besides “totes evil now, guyz.” What made Rumple compelling as the DO (at least in the beginning) was that his end goal was ultimately human and very sympathetic.
Agreed. I am hoping that Emma has a hidden motivation behind what she is up to, just like Rumple was. We learned that the main motivation behind Rumple’s motives in the past was to track down his son, but he went to extreme lengths to do so. Emma could similarly have good intentions, but just like Rumple, she has chosen the extreme lengths.
Agreed. I am hoping that Emma has a hidden motivation behind what she is up to, just like Rumple was.
Right now, part of me thinks that Emma is actually trying to destroy the darkness but in order to do so, she had to become Darkness. Sort of…infiltrate the enemy and destroy it from the inside.
would explain why she’s pushing Regina to become the Savior in the upcoming episode.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Agreed. I am hoping that Emma has a hidden motivation behind what she is up to, just like Rumple was.
Right now, part of me thinks that Emma is actually trying to destroy the darkness but in order to do so, she had to become Darkness. Sort of…infiltrate the enemy and destroy it from the inside.
would explain why she’s pushing Regina to become the Savior in the upcoming episode.
And maybe the reason she erased their memories of their 6 weeks in Camelot is because she wants them all to fully believe she’s being evil.
Why the heck didn’t Emma just kiss someone? Henry is Emma’s cannonical true love going back to season 1! Emma had the perfect opportiunity to kiss Henry as soon as her family arrived. TLK is supposed to break any curse, and unlike Rumplestiltskin, Emma wants to be rid of the dark one curse! It should’ve worked on her. The reason of course is obvious: Emma Swan must go dark and TLK is a series-end sort of thing. But still, from the perspective of the characters, plot hole. I’m surprised Snow and Charming didn’t at least suggest it.
I wonder… Can TLK be initiated by the person who is cursed? It seems to me that the whole TLK canon hinges on the cursed person being saved by an outside intervention from someone who loves them no matter what, but also with no hope of the kiss saving them or having any sort of efficacy. At least, that’s how it’s been framed in Season 1 as well. It’s sort of like the Narnia wardrobe paradox — the wardrobe won’t act as a portal unless you don’t expect it to (I might be embellishing this, I haven’t read CS Lewis since I was a kid). Point is, I don’t think TLK would work if it’s goal driven. Arguably, this is why Belle/Rumple’s TLK didn’t work: not just because Rumple wasn’t willing to give up his powers, but because Belle was doing it for the wrong reasons. I think the same rules apply in this case — you can neither force a TLK on someone, nor extract one from someone you love to solve your predicament.
Applause exactly.
it actually has me thinking of corinthians
If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecyand can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.</p>
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror;then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.</p>
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.</p>https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/52/cb/c6/52cbc6149415054d0d0aba04c3536bae.jpg
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