Enchanted Forest: Realm or Kingdom?

[Keb]

So long ago I came to start using FTL (fairy-tale land) and Enchanted Forest to mean the realm from which the vast majority of our characters came from. At first I used them interchangeably, but when the characters started using the term Enchanted Forest more, I switched to that–and now it’s all over my timelines as the realm in which most of the flashback action occurs.

But with S4A’s demonstration that Arendelle, clearly in the same realm, considers the Enchanted Forest another land within that realm, and also calls it Misthaven, I’m now forced to wonder if The Enchanted Forest is rather the name of Leo/Regina/Snow’s kingdom, and the realm (which includes Arendelle and a few other named kingdoms like Agrabah, as well as unnamed kingdoms including Midas’s, Mulan’s, and Aurora’s) should properly be called FTL, not The Enchanted Forest.

Thoughts?

[onceaholic]

***Arguments *for* the Enchanted Forest being the name of an area in a world, not the name of the whole world/dimension***:

-The pilot script labels the scene between Rumple and EQ in the dungeons as ”FTL” or Fairy Tale World

-Most official ABC press releases, such as the summaries about what is coming up in the  next episode labels this world as FTL

-There seems to be separate kingdoms, and not all of them are covered in trees, for example Agraba, and Aurora’s kingdom. Therefore it is not really logical to say that these kingdoms are part of a forest.

-Sherwood Forest seems to be annexed to EF, rather than an a part of it, due to having a separate name.

-To get to EF from Arendelle (and vice versa), it is a boat ride on ordinary waters. These waters were never shown to be a portal between worlds.

***Evidence for EF and Arendelle being separate continents in the same world***

-Again, the boat ride.

-That EF is labelled ”Mist Haven” by the Arendelle , implying that contact between the two areas is not impossible, but is infrequent.

However, it could be that Arendelle is a peninsula, and the mountains to the north make it hard to access the rest of the land mass that way, so they choose to travel by water instead (like how one might journey to Italy from other parts of southern Europe hundreds of years ago).

Still, they are definitely seem to be separate areas of the same world, and that world is called FTL.

 

The list is not exhaustive.

I look forward to seeing more  more arguments for, and arguments against too.  😉

Keeper of Regina's bravery

[TheWatcher]

I thought the Enchanted Forest was the name of the realm, which was comprised a many kingdoms surrounded by some kind of Infinite Forest (hence the name Enchanted Forest). When Arendale and the Frozen crew sauntered their way in talking about MistHaven, I justfigured A&E probably aren’t thining that we are thinking as hard about these things as we are.

Also, I have found it weird and even made a thread about how if the Dark Curse was supposed to span the entire enchanted forest, then how could Hook possibly outrun it, no matter how fast he is. If the EF is only a particular patch in a realm then it makes sense but that begs the question of why The Dark Curse would even be a big deal. Snow and Charming could literally have hitched a ride on a boat and left the EF for another kingdom until it blew over. So I think there really is no answer other than:

The EF is a realm comprised of many kingdoms. Just until its not.

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[onceaholic]

The EF is a realm comprised of many kingdoms. Just until its not.

Not really.

Way I see it is, Enchanted Forest is a forest and this requires trees. Agraba and Aurora’s kingdom never had trees and therefore it was never part of a forest…therefore it was never the name of the whole world, right from the beginning. ever since I saw Agraba  and Aurora’s kingdom (which ever came first, I can’t remember),  I  have always thought that EF was a part of that world due to the lack of trees.

Also, again, if you look at the photo of the pilot script, their world is labelled FTL.

…unless you are using ”realm” to mean a single kingdom, or group of kingdoms” rather than a whole world (as per historical definition and dictionary definition), in which case yes, EF would be a large forest spreading through several kingdoms or several realms or a group of kingdoms labelled as a realm, but kingdoms such as Agraba are part of the same world, just not part of the same realm.

Realm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realm

 

Keeper of Regina's bravery

[TheWatcher]

@Onceaholic True but I figured Agrabah was just the name of a particular place, a kingdom/city within the realm. Kind of like Cair Paravel within Narnia. But I can see what you are saying. My biggest thing was Rumps line about  the infinite forest when Regina trapped Charming there and I think she also trapped Hansel and Gretel and their father there. I just thought their land was called The Enchanted Forest because it was surrounded by an eternal,  inescapable forest where the people who live in it just set up kingdoms. Some places, Aurora’s kingdm or Agrabah may lack tree but may still lay pretty close to the forest. If any of that makes sense 😛 idk, I doubt we will ever really know

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[Keb]

Arendelle and Misthaven also seem to be around one-week’s sailing distance away (give or take a few days, since people want a 2 week journey to do it and probably plan for a few days there at least).

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[onceaholic]

@Onceaholic True but I figured Agrabah was just the name of a particular place, a kingdom/city within the realm. Kind of like Cair Paravel within Narnia. But I can see what you are saying. My biggest thing was Rumps line about the infinite forest when Regina trapped Charming there and I think she also trapped Hansel and Gretel and their father there. I just thought their land was called The Enchanted Forest because it was surrounded by an eternal, inescapable forest where the people who live in it just set up kingdoms. Some places, Aurora’s kingdm or Agrabah may lack tree but may still lay pretty close to the forest. If any of that makes sense idk, I doubt we will ever really know

Yes, this is very confusing and needs to be cleared up in the show.

Right now I am assuming that the Infinite Forest is a section of the EF spread of trees or a separate forest within the same world that though humungous is not actually infinite, and has a spell on it to make it seem infinite…to have the people and animals within it walk round and round in circles by hiding the edge of it, and therefore the entrance and exit points.

…but it is just an assumption based on very little evidence.

Keeper of Regina's bravery

[PriceofMagic]

I think the EF is some kind of continent, perhaps like Europe, but smaller, and the different kingdoms are the different “countries” hence why Agrabah is within the EF. Arendelle would be a little island.

Or

EF is like America which has it’s own nicknames, and the kingdoms are the states so the royals are like the governors.

Arendelle is it’s own little island, along with the southern isles, a bit like the canary islands or the caribbean islands but colder.

Realm also doesn’t mean world. It’s like America being called the land of the free.

Everything that doesn’t require a portal to get to is within the same world. Anything that requires a portal is a different world altogether.

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Keeper of Felix

[PriceofMagic]

The infinite forest uses magic to keep people there hence why you need magic to escape it. It could either teleport someone back to the centre or, as they get too close to the edge, they feel a sudden urge to go a separate way thus leading them back into the forest.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

The EF is a kingdom that exists within Fairy Tale Land. Other lands exist within Fairy Tale Land, like Agrabah and Arendelle (apparently). The EF is one kingdom that has many other kingdoms sitting right on top of it depending on who needs a castle that week (ie: Rapunzel’s family suddenly needing to be rulers who live super duper close to Snow)

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