Episode 2 News

[hjbau]

Oh yeah there are a bunch of new pictures. You see one of Emma and Snow standing together.
http://photography.garethvjones.com/index.php?/category/4

[Phee]

The green light coming out of that hole certainly does look potentially vortexy (technical term).

@AntBee wrote:

Plus, it also explains why Emma and Snow were missing in the “first” episode, because something happens to them in the actual first episode that causes them to disappear. Charming thinks it has to do with Jefferson, so he chases after him whether it does or not I’m not sure.

I don’t really know if Regina was behind Emma’s and Snow’s disappearance, but it seems likely. I don’t know if they land in Wonderland, but I believe they did because I think Cora is the Queen of Hearts there. I think Wonderland ties in with the “first” episode only because Barbara Hershey and Bailee Madison were nearby. I just hope that Emma and Snow aren’t trapped their for more than one episode.

We had a double ep on TV here tonight, Hat Trick followed by Stable Boy, so I’ve got my Cora = QoH theory on the brain right now. I’m wondering if in 2×02 we’ll see the growing animosity between Regina and YoungSnow, and also between Regina and Cora. Then we’ll see Regina reach her breaking point with her mother and banish her to Wonderland. Cora was the one who was all about the marriage for status and power. Regina wasn’t interested in that stuff. So I’m envisioning Cora being really overbearing, trying to convince Regina to settle into her new role as Queen, and then eventually Regina snaps and is all, “YOU’RE the one who wanted this! So if you wanna be royalty so much, I can help you with that!” Then she sends her off to be trapped in Wonderland where she’ll become Queen of Hearts.

Showing us a bit of Wonderland, would tie in nicely if Jefferson’s realm jumping capabilities are also potentially going to be a plot point early on.

As for where Emma and Snow go, (assuming they do in fact go somewhere), it could be Wonderland, OR it could be Neverland, and maybe when they find a way back to SB, that’s how and when Hook sneaks into town as well by the same means. Perhaps?

First Episode: I think this is the episode that is being filmed now. While it would make sense to be an Emma episode right off the bat, I’m guessing it will be a Snowing episode mostly, because the spoilers about Prince Phillip and Aurora sound a little bit like Snowing’s story. Plus, I’m guessing Mulan being involved will tie in with the take back the kingdom line.

I’m still sticking with this being a Sleeping Beauty ep, and if it is, then it should be set earlier in time than the taking back of the kingdom storyline, because they established that Maleficent was younger when the Sleeping Beauty story went down. In that case, I wouldn’t expect to see Snowing stuff in the FTL flashbacks.

On the one hand, it could be seen as an odd choice for them to not pick up in FTL right where they left off, with a significant storyline about to kick off. But on the other hand, maybe it’d be overwhelming to have focus on Snowing in FTL at the same time as Snowing are coming back together in SB? Their stuff in SB won’t be MM/David, it’ll be Snow/Charming, they’ll in effect be re-establishing the characters we already know in a whole new light, because each of them are now two characters merged into one. It may be easer to keep the focus on that happening in SB, if the FTL storyline doesn’t feature them at all. But the Sleeping Beauty storyline could still be shown to have parallels to what’s happening in SB, because everyone is “waking up” from a curse.

Second Episode: I think this is a Regina episode since I think this is the episode that Barbara Hershey and Bailee Madison are going to be in. I don’t know if they were trying to throw off fans of the show by making it seem like this episode was the first episode or if it had something to do with the availability of someone like Barbara Hershey or Sebastian Stan.

I’m guessing it was more of a scheduling thing.

Third Episode: If the first episode is a Snowing episode, then I think this will be an Emma episode, or vice versa. All I have to go by is the casting call for Lancelot, but based on this,

The casting call described him as “Male, African-American, British accent, late 20s to early 30s. A sword-for-hire, he’s one of the most dangerous men in Fairy Tale Land, because he’s a man with nothing to lose. In his tragic past, he was torn from his true love and banished from the king and country he served. Though he says he now serves only himself and his fee, he can’t help but be guided by his sense of honor, the memory of the man he once was and his true nobility.

I think it might be an Emma-centric episode because she’s similar to Lancelot in that she’s a “gun-for-hire” in some respects, certainly one of the most dangerous women in Storybrooke, and did have nothing to lose at one point. Of course, there’s her tragic past that she has where she was sent away from her world to protect her, which isn’t the same as being banished, but to her low esteem self she probably won’t be really ready to accept that her parents were trying to protect her yet.

Nice parallels between Lancelot and Emma. Hadn’t thought about that.

We haven’t had any info about what ep Lancelot is in yet, have we? But I think ep 3 would make sense. He’s obviously going to be early on if they’ve already cast him, and as far as we know he’s not in 1, 2 or 4. His character sounds like someone they would have recruited in the battle for the kingdom, and going with my theories about the flashbacks for 1 & 2, by 3 they’d be wanting to get back to that storyline. I’m not entirely convinced he’s gonna survive in FTL, but with those similarities to Emma’s character, his deeds in flashbacks could be tied to present day events through Emma, if he doesn’t survive.

Then again, maybe this ep will be Mulan? She possibly helped with the taking back of the kingdom as well, and if there’s some realm jumping talk in eps 1 and 2, and if she came from another realm, (considering there was an Asian looking door in the hat), then they might wanna keep the theme going by introducing her at that point.

Guess we’ll find out soon enough who’ll be in ep 3 once they start shooting it and info leaks out.

Fourth Episode: This has to be a Rumple-centric episode based on casting calls for Beaman, which makes me think that it’s even more likely that Milha has got to be Rumple’s ex and Bae’s mom since this should be a Rumple-centric episode.

Yep, I think we’ll see a backstory with Rumple, Milha and Beaman, which will lead into the Hook storyline.

[obisgirl]

@hjbau wrote:

@AntBee wrote:

Any guesses to the following questions? How did Emma and Snow get sent away from Storybrooke? Where did they go? How will they get back? When will they get back?

My guesses are based on the pictures. Emma gets sucked into a vortex that opens under her and Snow dives to try and save her and gets sucked in to it as well. I have no idea where they go whether to another world or to somewhere else in our world.

And then in the next ep they are missing and Charming is trying to find Jefferson because they know he is a realm jumper and know about the hat and are trying to find Snow and Emma.

I don’t think that Emma and Snow are just going to vanish from the show. I think that they will show them on the other side of the vortex wherever it leads, but it may be some episodes before they get back.

I think they will end up in Neverland.

[hjbau]

Maybe. I don’t because i think Hook is in the real world. Unless they are in the past. Which is its own kind of mess.

[Slurpeez]

TVLine scoop about Regina and Jefferson:
Question: Any juicy new scoops on Once Upon a Time? The second season isn’t arriving fast enough! —Trippie

Ausiello: As a power struggle ensues in the newly magically enriched Storybrooke, Episode 2 will flash back to when the Evil Queen first met Rumplestiltskin. Also, series cocreator Adam Horowitz told Matt Mitovich that the show got Sebastian Stan back as the Mad Hatter for no fewer than three of the early batch of episodes — “and he doesn’t just show up to say, ‘Hey, I’m still here.’ He has his own story, because his daughter is still out there.” http://tvline.com/2012/09/04/greys-anatomy-spoilers-glee-big-bang/#utm_source=copypaste&utm_campaign=referral

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[Phee]

Can’t wait to see Regina meeting Rumple! I’ve been thinking that he’s where she got her initial powers from. They both hated Cora, (assuming Regina is in fact the miller’s daughter who got away), and I reckon the desire to bring her down brought them together.

Wonder if any of Jefferson’s stuff will be flashbacks, or if it’ll all be SB based, following his reunion with Grace? I’m not expecting a whole ep dedicated to him again this early on, but really hope we get to see more of his history at some point.

[antbee]

The title is “We Are Both”. http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/09/once-upon-time-episode-202-title.html

[Slurpeez]

AntBee wrote:The title is We Are Both

We are both….. ruthless? so similar? magical? I think this could refer to different combinations of Rumpel, Cora, Regina or even Jefferson in the FTL flashbacks (based on previous spoilers, we know we’re going to see all of them in this episode).

Phee wrote:Can’t wait to see Regina meeting Rumple! I’ve been thinking that he’s where she got her initial powers from. They both hated Cora, (assuming Regina is in fact the miller’s daughter who got away), and I reckon the desire to bring her down brought them together.

Knowing that this is the episode in which we see how Regina met Rumpel, we’re most likely going to see FTL flashbacks of Cora, the miller’s daughter, and the deal she made with the dark one to save Regina, her first born. Thus, we may see the title refer to how both Cora and Regina managed to get power from Rumpel. The similarity could also exist between Cora and Rumpel, since they both ruthless, like making deals and wanted power. Also, I could see it meaning how Rumpel taught Regina magic (to get back at Cora). I wonder if Jefferson is related to Cora and Regina though, since we know Sebastian Stan is set to appear here. So, the title could potentially refer to Regina and Jefferson as two people who learned magic.

Another possibility for the current day I imagined is that the title could also refer to Snow White, Emma, and Prince Charming. I think Emma and SW go missing from SB. Perhaps SW and PC are both extremely sorry for having to let go of Emma and make an apology to her. Another possibility is that SW and Emma discover they’re both so alike in many personality and ability traits. Whatever happens, there could be some nice maternal contrasts and links between Cora/Regina in FTl and SW/Emma in (SB or wherever they are).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[hjbau]

I think Jennifer said she was only in four scenes in Ep 2. Though i like the idea that the episode will be more about mother’s and daughters. Cora/Regina, Regina/Snow, Snow/Emma. Though there was all that running around by Jefferson.

I still think that Jefferson is related to Regina. I am looking forward to this episode. Ep 2 of last season was a really good episode.

[PriceofMagic]

Perhaps the title We Are Both will come from a line said within the episode. Like in The Thing You Love Most, Rumple told Regina that the heart she had to sacrifice had to come from “the thing you love most”.

Perhaps Emma would be having difficulty coming to terms with the fact that Charming and Snow are her friends and her parents and would be like “Are you my friends or are you my parents?” and they would reply with “We are both!”

All magic comes with a price!

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