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April 24, 2013 at 5:22 am #188290daybreak_fairyParticipant
I just wanted to say that I believe that the wands are different. Here’s what I think is different:
1) In everything picture that shows the Fairy god mother’s (FGM) wand you can see that it’s hilt color (blue) is very shiny blue. But Robin’s wand’s hilt color is very hard to identify it looks black or very dark blue, not like the FGM’s shiny blue.
2) Also if you carefully count the little twists in the wands’ hilts, Robin’s wand’s hilt has 4 twisty lines & FGM’s wand hilt has 5 twisty lines.
3) When comparing both pictures, Robin’s wand’s hilt looks thinner than the FGM’s wands hilt which really looks fatter.
Btw, I personally can see the wands in more detail when I have maximum brightness in my laptop & when I bend the lid towards me (like if I were to close the lid). Maybe that will help some people see the photos better.
Here are some pictures:
About Belle’s time with Rumple, I wanted to say that I believe that Belle was with Rumple after the Genie became the magic mirror guy. I believe that Regina’s mirror magic comes from him (ex-Genie) & we know that Rumple had the mirror covered (since Belle got to the castle) because of Regina. Also I wanted to share a picture of my timeline & ask if any of you have a timeline of your own (right now it’s missing the Lacey fairy tail part I haven’t re watch the episode) 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]April 24, 2013 at 5:26 am #188291kfchimeraParticipantI suppose it is much simpler if it is a different wand…but I always do like when they add new meaning to old scenes. Or even better, when they had something in mind and are finally playing it out.
That is one serious timeline you have there!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
April 24, 2013 at 5:54 am #188293PheeParticipant@KFChimera wrote:
So I’m imagining that he cut a deal with the fairy godmother (something against fairy godmother code probably!) to get her wand. She in turn recruited Robin to steal it back for her, then that is why we see him feel justified in killing her when she’s talking to Cinderella. Otherwise his killing of the Fairy God Mother (FGM) just seemed a little more openly evil than his normal mode of operating as a trickster. Then it also explains later on his comment to Regina that no one would miss the FGM whose wand he is using. None of the fairies would miss the FGM because she cut a deal with Rumpel for something a fairy wasn’t supposed to do. Maybe that “something” was a someone–as people are speculating, the tie to Marian or Tamara.
So that’s my spin on the theories people are tossing around that the FGM was tied to Marian /Tamara and it was her wand and why Rumpel had it, then lost it, then got it again.
Yes, I like this!
A thought just came to me, I wonder if the deal that saw him originally get the wand could have had something to do with the FGM wanting to become human, perhaps because she’d fallen in love? That’s a deal that would require her to give up her wand, and also something she’d be looked down on for by other fairies. (Also, because I watched The Little Mermaid for the first time in years the other day, I totally connected the tongue stealing to that, and now this idea of Rumple having made a fairy into a human to be with a man she’d fallen in love with…don’t mind me, I’m seeing potential Ariel anvils dropping everywhere.)
So then we have a FormerFGM who had a baby with the man she became human for. Let’s call this baby…Marian. Marian grows up, falls in love with Robin, and when Marian is pregnant, she becomes deathly ill. The only thing that will cure her is fairy magic. So in order to save the life of her daughter, and unborn grandchild, FormerFGM tells Robin to go and steal back her wand from Rumple. Once she has her wand back, FormerFGM reverts to her FGM form, which is how we see her when Rumple explodes her and steals the wand back again.
@KFChimera wrote:
HappyEndings wrote:
The deal was with King George, David for the Fairy which I think he added to his curse. Why would he have to ask where the Fairy was if he had dealings with her beforeWell just because he had dealed with her, doesn’t mean he necessarily knew where she was later on, especially if she had magic to actively hide from him.
Yes, if FGM had double crossed Rumple by sending Robin to steal back her wand, if she was smart, she’d have gone into hiding after that, knowing that Rumple would want to come after her. Also, going along with the theory I just proposed, if Rumple was going to also be after Robin, Marian, and the unborn baby, perhaps the newly reinstated FGM used her magic to send them somewhere safe…like a land without magic. Perhaps?
April 24, 2013 at 6:05 am #188294surayyaParticipant@daybreak_fairy wrote:
I just wanted to say that I believe that the wands are different. Here’s what I think is different:
1) In everything picture that shows the Fairy god mother’s (FGM) wand you can see that it’s hilt color (blue) is very shiny blue. But Robin’s wand’s hilt color is very hard to identify it looks black or very dark blue, not like the FGM’s shiny blue.
2) Also if you carefully count the little twists in the wands’ hilts, Robin’s wand’s hilt has 4 twisty lines & FGM’s wand hilt has 5 twisty lines.
3) When comparing both pictures, Robin’s wand’s hilt looks thinner than the FGM’s wands hilt which really looks fatter.
Btw, I personally can see the wands in more detail when I have maximum brightness in my laptop & when I bend the lid towards me (like if I were to close the lid). Maybe that will help some people see the photos better.
Here are some pictures:
About Belle’s time with Rumple, I wanted to say that I believe that Belle was with Rumple after the Genie became the magic mirror guy. I believe that Regina’s mirror magic comes from him (ex-Genie) & we know that Rumple had the mirror covered (since Belle got to the castle) because of Regina. Also I wanted to share a picture of my timeline & ask if any of you have a timeline of your own (right now it’s missing the Lacey fairy tail part I haven’t re watch the episode) 🙂
That’s just lighting in the pic you have- I posted a screen shot showing Robin using the wand & the hilt is bright blue :
– it IS 100% the same wand- I have no doubts there…either we have timeline wrong, Rumple obtained & had the wand in his procession on 2 separate occasions or the prop department has royally screwed up- because it is EXACTLY the same wand he took from Cinder’s FGM.
April 24, 2013 at 6:07 am #188295PheeParticipantWas about to post the screencap that showed the bright blue hilt, but when I went to preview my post, Surayya had just beaten me to it.
Also I wanted to share a picture of my timeline & ask if any of you have a timeline of your own (right now it’s missing the Lacey fairy tail part I haven’t re watch the episode) 🙂
I am in awe of this. You’re a hero for even attempting it!
April 24, 2013 at 6:10 am #188296laurieanneParticipantOMG the timeline!! Great job! I started one on the computer but I need to update it. Now I’m inspired.
April 24, 2013 at 6:12 am #188298Killian JonesParticipantthat’s just incredible I wouldn’t even know where to start with doing that
April 24, 2013 at 6:14 am #188299surayyaParticipant@Phee wrote:
Was about to post the screencap that showed the bright blue hilt, but when I went to preview my post, Surayya had just beaten me to it.
Also I wanted to share a picture of my timeline & ask if any of you have a timeline of your own (right now it’s missing the Lacey fairy tail part I haven’t re watch the episode) 🙂
I am in awe of this. You’re a hero for even attempting it!
Haha- Im usually the one that is too slow to post & ends up having to rearrange my post lol 😉
Agree with Phee re your timeline, I tried to get the timeline to work once before in the middle of S1 & gave up- imagine what A&E’s complete timeline looks like! 😯
April 24, 2013 at 7:02 am #188303daybreak_fairyParticipantUffff I finished the 30 day challenge thing, it was interesting ^_^. Ok, now I’ve totally seen the light with that picture thanks Surayya & Phee! Jeez it’s interesting what light can do. I seriously have to re-watch the episode very soon.
So I started the timeline when I got the Blue-rays. I tried to use the computer for it, but writing it down & then cutting the paper & using tape to move the things around has made it easier. I also use different markers so its more easy on the eye :). I have to admit that the main reason that made me fall in love with the show is the FTL timeline. To me each FTL scene is a piece to a big puzzle & I really like puzzles so it’s something that I truly enjoy. What I have tho are facts straight from the episodes. I haven’t added anything that I believe may have happened just in case I’m wrong. I also add the episode # to know specifically where I got each info from.April 24, 2013 at 12:29 pm #188309KebParticipantMy timeline is a spreadsheet. It’s currently got…1317 entries on it, though I didn’t do as thorough a job with some of the earlier episodes, so it will probably get longer even without adding new eps (which will happen).
I’m planning to do a “timeline light” at some point that isn’t as scene-by-scene and just covers the big stuff.
What I love most is when stuff in the FTL timeline intersects and you wind up with alternating episodes as the moments mesh together. It’s beautiful (even if it IS harder to map out and insert new lines etc).
Most of the not-shown stuff I’ve put in my timeline are things like characters’ births, mainly for reference. And with a few exceptions, those are pretty much guesses.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
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