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Writing the scripts is the easiest part. There is a lot of plotting and planning they have to do. The season before JUST ended like 2 months ago. They began to talk about S3 right before it ended but planning an entire season is a process and takes time. If they just sat down and wrote scripts, they would be bad and the show wouldn’t have any focus. And there are debates about, “do we X or do we do Y or A or B.” A and E have a lot to say and a lot to listen to. We’re on the outside looking in and to us it might seem like it should be easy and that the writers need to be doing something, but we have no idea what it takes to put a show together. A and E are doing just fine. It’s like writing a novel. There are outlines and plots and threads you have to tie together.
Thus far only one actor, we think, has been recast and that’s totally out of A and E’s hands. If Tom Ellis has other commitments, they can’t do anything about that. He wasn’t a big character to begin with. We saw him for maybe 10 mins out of a 45 min episode. If he’s replaced for one episode, then fine. I understand if it bothers people, but it’s not like they replaced a core cast member. The casting call reads like it’s RH, but we don’t know for certain.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Actually they did lose a few more people, Red, and the Mad Hatter which was a bummer I loved the fact that Red was Wolf thing and besides she was one Snow’s right hand man and a sister so I do think they could be better at organizing their scripts.
As a writer myself I can tell you it just does NOT work that way. To get to the level of detail these writers do, it takes a LOT of time to plan out such elaborate stuff (especially when we can go back and find that various background props were there all along or that a line was foreshadowing something else).
It would be great if they had everything already on paper for the entire season but last season didn’t finish all that long ago and they’ve been breaking stories as fast as they can I’m sure.
It takes a lot of prep time to figure out complicated stuff (and remember, they know a LOT more about the timeline than we do that they have to take into consideration).
Therefore they can’t just whip the scripts out or it’ll all fall apart. They HAVE to plan it with as much detail as they can and a lot of knowledge of what’s to come in the future even if it doesn’t affect the script they’re on currently just so that they don’t mess up stuff for the future.
With how much we analyze and overanalyze every little thing and have to ask them to clarify, imagine what would happen if they just didn’t bother and made it up as they went along without any idea of what was supposed to happen.
They’ve probably been plotting out the majority of the season the last couple of months and are just now getting to the specifics of how it has to happen for each episode to work.
Once you have a clear idea of where things need to end up, it’s a lot easier to figure out those little details along the way. SO much easier than trying to go back and rework everything once you come up with a brilliant idea for where it needs to end up and how much would it stink if you came up with a great idea for the ending and then had to go back and rewrite every script you wrote that summer to make it happen, instead of planning them all out in the first place and then writing them in detail closer to the deadline?
As much as I want episodes NOW, it’s a long process and they’re doing the best they can so that we can have such an awesome show that has lots of layers to it. If it were another type of show maybe they would have already, who knows, but it’s not.
Even if they had every script ready to go, you still only get the actors and the crew together for a limited time to put everything into place and you’d still only get a certain number of episodes as ordered by the network, so it doesn’t really matter all that much when the scripts get in as long as they have something to shoot off of for the first one when everyone shows back up and they’ve done that and will continue to crank out scripts in the meantime.
So please, cut them some slack. This is how TV writing works. It would be awesome if somebody presented every single script ever for a series to a network before it ever began and they could spend forever perfecting it ahead of time, but that’s not how it works with serialized stuff. It’s a credit to them that they plan out as far as they do and then go back. We’ve seen a few problems with that, but not as many if they were flying by the seat of their pants with every single script. Things are planted in episodes where we don’t even pick up on the significance until later and then realize it was there the whole time. That’s good story-telling.
/end writer rant
As for the other episodes with heart in the title, they have all been important episodes where something big has happened. I responded with the list because 1×07 was not the “last” time heart had been in the title which was the question asked. I do agree that it has a connection to this one simply because it was referring to a heart that was taken / wanted for some reason (we don’t know why PP needs Henry’s heart – control, a powerful curse, what?), but I liken it more to 1×02 The Thing You Love Most, simply because that one was, in fact, about a heart that was needed.
1×16 Heart of Darkness had stuff with Snow’s inner turmoil (something we’re bound to see again thanks to her dark spot affecting her current judgement and wanting to do things the right way from now on), and Queen of Hearts was about Cora yes, but it also had Snow & Emma fighting to get back to Henry and taught us about Emma’s magic/her heart not be able to be taken etc. – things that are bound to come up again very early on this season if not in the premiere.
As for RH – I’ll be sad if he is recast but he’s pretty much the only one that they can do that with because he didn’t get much chance to develop as a character so whoever takes on the role will give us that opportunity to get to know RH and will become that character for us. Everyone else has gotten way more character development and is kinda too late to change them. It’s sad that the scheduling didn’t work out, but it’s tough months in advance to say “yes this guy would be great for the 10 minutes we need this year but can you make sure he doesn’t work again for a few months because we might need him again but we’re not completely sure when yet.” – it just doesn’t work like that.
We’ve lost a lot of awesome background characters to other projects because they are wonderful actors and deserve to be in bigger roles and OUAT can’t tie them down for mere minutes here and there. A) Not in the budget B) Even if the budget were unlimited and they could afford to have every single character be seen and barely heard, 99% of the actors would not be satisfied with that – look at Meghan, she knew she was being backburnered and took the option to go star on another series even though she loves OUAT. The actors want to act and be seen and there simply isn’t enough time for them all to be starring and have lots of camera time.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
And, further, the Charmings might ok with some of the things Hook, Rumple and Regina do because they want Henry back. I think a lot of S3 is going to be watching some of the heroes tread that fine line between good and evil.
Yes! That could be one of our big themes for S3, exploring that fine line between doing actual evil, and bending the rules just enough so the end justifies the means.
Tamara totally deserves an unhappy ending, but I don’t think I can cheer if it happens in a way that sort of condones our villains using their powers out of anger and frustration. I want to see them continue to redeem themselves–if they must slip, then they do, but it should definitely be acknowledged as a slip and they should pay for it in some way. So maybe Greg would have flipped and helped them, but they kill Tamara, and so he destroys something that would have given them an advantage. Something like that–I want the bad acts to continue to bite the people who do them. It can be fun to cheer our main characters achieving victory and payback, but for me, I want to see their characters growing in some way.
Oh I wouldn’t expect a heart ripping to be Tamara’s death, I’m just imagining that Regina rips out her heart so she has control over her and can force her to cough up info and help them. I do hope that Regina doesn’t keep killing people whenever she has a tantrum, because she needs to learn that that’s not the way to deal with her problems. But if she’s just taking Tamara’s heart for a little while to control her, that’s a smackdown on par with the bodyslam Emma put on her. And I totally cheered for the bodyslam.
I haven’t seen this theory anywhere else… I recall Adam and Edward indicating we would see Tinkerbell in Season 3, and she might have her own background story or arc. What if Henry’s heart is needed to save Tinkerbell’s life? In the Disney version, kids needed to clap or say “I believe in fairies” or something like that to save Tinkerbell after she drank poison. What if she needs the heart of the truest believer to be saved? A long time ago, PP may have obtained an image of Henry from Rumple, who is able to see into the future. If PP is able to “fly” into our world without the need of a bean, it makes sense why Rumple would want to negotiate with PP.
That also plays into why PP is “complicated” and not just flat-out evil. He is trying to save his friend.
I haven’t seen this theory anywhere else… I recall Adam and Edward indicating we would see Tinkerbell in Season 3, and she might have her own background story or arc. What if Henry’s heart is needed to save Tinkerbell’s life? In the Disney version, kids needed to clap or say “I believe in fairies” or something like that to save Tinkerbell after she drank poison. What if she needs the heart of the truest believer to be saved? A long time ago, PP may have obtained an image of Henry from Rumple, who is able to see into the future. If PP is able to “fly” into our world without the need of a bean, it makes sense why Rumple would want to negotiate with PP. That also plays into why PP is “complicated” and not just flat-out evil. He is trying to save his friend.
That’s interesting. But then why does he need all the other boys? He won’t let them go home and I think this means that while Henry is the ultimate need for PP, he still needs other boys for something.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Speaking of Tink, I was thinking just before how there hasn’t been a casting call leaked for her, but you’d think they’d have begun that casting process by now. If they’re gonna be hanging out in NL and encountering PP, you’d think that Tink would have to be around early in the season too.
What if Henry’s heart is needed to save Tinkerbell’s life? In the Disney version, kids needed to clap or say “I believe in fairies” or something like that to save Tinkerbell after she drank poison. What if she needs the heart of the truest believer to be saved?
That pic Adam tweeted from 3×03 does have “wings” written on the same line as “people don’t believe”. If Tink’s life in in danger though, she’s been holding on for a reeeaaaaallly long time. I do think there has to be some mention of the connection between fairies and believing though, just going by Adam’s pic.
A long time ago, PP may have obtained an image of Henry from Rumple, who is able to see into the future. If PP is able to “fly” into our world without the need of a bean, it makes sense why Rumple would want to negotiate with PP.
Bae left FTL before Rumple saw the Seer as an adult, and that’s when he came into contact with her powers. It was only about 6 months later that Bae ended up in NL, and it seemed like PP had been collecting kids for a decent amount of time. Of course, time passes differently in NL, so anything goes unless and until we get clarification on just how differently time passes.
I’ve been thinking of the Seer as someone who had been in NL and was sent by PP to FTL with the task of contacting Rumple, to set him on the necessary path.What you say about Rumple wanting PP’s ability to travel between worlds is a fair point though, because traveling to the world without magic is exactly what Rumple was trying to do. Evidently he wasn’t able to master that art though, because he still needed to destroy FTL instead of just flying off himself like the Shadow did.
I’ve been wondering if whatever made time stand still in NL is the same “thing” that made time stand still in SB. Maybe with PP in NL is where Rumple originally found the basis of the Curse, which he took away with him and tweaked until it was a perfect fit for his own, personal needs.But then, I’ve also been thinking that perhaps the only time Rumple was in NL was when he was a child, and PP captured him then let him go, same as with Bae.
Too many options! Head spinning!Speaking of Tink, I was thinking just before how there hasn’t been a casting call leaked for her, but you’d think they’d have begun that casting process by now. If they’re gonna be hanging out in NL and encountering PP, you’d think that Tink would have to be around early in the season too.
That’s true! Maybe we won’t be seeing her until episode 3 so no casting call as of yet.
That pic Adam tweeted from 3×03 does have “wings” written on the same line as “people don’t believe”. If Tink’s life in in danger though, she’s been holding on for a reeeaaaaallly long time. I do think there has to be some mention of the connection between fairies and believing though, just going by Adam’s pic.
And people already believe in fairies. They all know Blue. So if this theory is correct, why is one fairy excluded from the belief.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And people already believe in fairies. They all know Blue. So if this theory is correct, why is one fairy excluded from the belief.
People in FTL believe in fairies but people in NL are a bunch of cynics?
Though that wouldn’t explain why they’d need Henry in particular if any old FTL person believed.
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