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Agreed. The show now isn’t ending how it was conceived at the very start. Adam and Eddy have said on record that they hit a reset button after 3×11. While season six will end the way they planned at the end of season five, the series itself won’t end the way they’d previously intended before they switched course. Eddy evaded answering the original question, giving a different reply, and Adam was more forthcoming and honest.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I still think their original planned ending for the show was Going Home and they had to make it sooner because of KillEmma. It just seems like seasons 1-3A had different attitude from the writers than the rest of the series.
I agree. re-watching the show the tone and character development start to shift in 3b and imo it all falls apart somewhere in 4b with the egg and the ‘Queens of Darkness’. I do believe that Adam and Eddy had an ending planned out from early on, but I also believe that when they originally thought of the big series finale that Baelfire was going to be a big part of it and that Gideon is basically just a replacement character. It’s possible that the original ending was supposed to be Rumple killing Pan (or now Black Fairy?) and himself to save everyone. I just hope they don’t repeat themselves and we get something new and better for the (probable) series finale.
I don’t think Going Home was ever an intended ending. I think the reason they did that was so that they could make Henry a year older and so they could then create some in between time to which they could flashback to. I don’t know, but it seems pretty clear to me at the beginning of Season 3 that they still intended to go down the route they originally wanted and bring Neal back into the story, showing him reunite with Emma in Neverland, seeing him confront his father, and be all heroic and save Henry. Then he helps them to get off Neverland. I think we can see them building up his character in Season 3A.
I think they jumped the shark by have a love triangle in 3A. They thought that a love triangle would create ratings for them. They even used the kiss in a promo. I don’t think at that time early in Season 3 they were thinking about an ending. They were thinking about Rumpel sacrificing himself for the family as the next step in reuniting with Bae and bringing Rumpel closer to the family.
That all changed and was lost when they got rid of Bae. They don’t even seem to remember that Rumpel is related to Henry most of the time. I am not really sure when they decided to kill Bae, but i think it was after they planned the season just because this is something the writers do a lot. They change big things afterwards and then they do these things that make no narrative sense. Though, it is unclear how much is the writers changing things at the last second, which we know they do, and them having no clue how to write story. They just seem completely unable to connect the beginning of an arc to the end anymore.
Also, i really think the writers intend to do a “and they all lived happily ever after ending”, so i don’t think a Rumpel is dead ending was ever their intention. I definitely think there were major changes in characters behavior in 3B, but i think it was probably the fourth time that characters started behaving inconsistently starting as early as the first episode of Season 2 when Henry and Emma were suddenly standing up for Regina. Obviously, they are doing that “happily ever after” ending with different characters now then they originally intended, but that is still the base premise, in my opinion, that was always intended.
A deputy? Sure. A romantic partner? Not really. Neal defintely makes more sense when considering all the parallels between them. But those are opinions. Let’s not start this again guys.
Yes a romantic partner as well, but I figure that part was obvious from Tallahassee that Hook was being set up to be Emma’s romantic partner. That’s how many people viewed it, that’s for sure. Glad we were right.
And I mean if we’re going with parallels well…
1. Both have tattoos on their wrists of reminders of where they came from. Maybe one day we’ll find out about Emma’s but I doubt it. It’s clearly a callback to the Charming crest.
2. Both are orphans abandoned by everyone.
3. Both are very sentimental even though they always claim they’re not.
4. Both will do anything when it comes to fighting for their loved ones, including each other.
5. ” You and I, we understand each other, look out for yourselves and you’ll never get hurt”
6. The many times the writers, JMO, and Colin have stated they were Kindred Spirits
I mean I can continue with this all day but the parallels are there with Hook and Emma as well.
Love stories always start with finding your love hiding under a pile of bodies he either killed or stood by and watched, oh and rape threats as well…
"All your questions are pointless"
Yeah and I guess others start out with statutory rape followed by said guy abandoning you and screwing you over completely cause of “destiny” which traumatizes you to the point where you don’t let anybody in, in fear that they will screw you over. How romantic.
That’s exactly how it was framed and not a distorting made by people.
"All your questions are pointless"
Emma’s not an orphan. She was sent through a portal to our world, likewise Baelfire was sent through a portal to our world.
I think you can find parallels between any two characters if you look hard enough. If similarities are the going rate then Hook and Charming should start a romance:
They both care about Emma.
They both have a dead brother.
They both come from humble backgrounds.
They both have done things in their past they’re not proud of.
Although Hook and Emma had chemistry in Tallahassee, I don’t think they were meant to end up as lovers at that point. I think the writers/ abc execs saw the growing CS fandom and decided to cash in on it by having a love triangle in 3A. It makes Hook’s intentions of going to Neverland though less noble as they went from “doing the right thing because it’s right” to “wanting to get in Emma’s pants and this was the way to do it.”
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIf similarities are the going rate then Hook and Charming should start a romance: They both care about Emma. They both have a dead brother. They both come from humble backgrounds. They both have done things in their past they’re not proud of. Although Hook and Emma had chemistry in Tallahassee, I don’t think they were meant to end up as lovers at that point. I think the writers/ abc execs saw the growing CS fandom and decided to cash in on it by having a love triangle in 3A. It makes Hook’s intentions of going to Neverland though less noble as they went from “doing the right thing because it’s right” to “wanting to get in Emma’s pants and this was the way to do it.”
Hook and Charming have the best BROMANCE because of how much they have in common with each other. 🙂
We’ll have to agree to disagree, I as did many many others saw the set up in Tallahassee and personally I’m glad I saw what was correct.
Sigh, Hook going to Neverland was about doing the right thing. It had nothing to do with getting into Emma’s pants and if that’s all Hook cared about he could have gotten all that much quicker then waiting for the finale to reveal he traded his home to get to Emma. Which is what he’s done once again.
Hook going to Neverland was about doing the right thing. It had nothing to do with getting into Emma’s pants
I disagree. He turned his ship around entirely because he was falling for Emma. He did a lot of things during that time simply to get to and remain on Emma’s good side. Pfft, he still does. The dude is in the mess he’s in now because of not wanting to be truthful to her and risk her walking away. Not about whats right, he was thinking about not sinking his ship. Also, didn’t Charming have a line about how Hook only saved him to get Emma to like him? Or was that Neal? I remember someone said it. Idk. But Hook hasn’t ever really been that noble of a person tbh, let alone in S2, to just do something “because its right” and not for Emma reasons.
if that’s all Hook cared about he could have gotten all that much quicker
Emma’s not that easy.
he traded his home to get to Emma. Which is what he’s done once again.
Because giving up one’s home for the person they love is such a hard decision. I guess for some people it is. I said it back when he did it the first time in whatever season, but I’m not really impressed by this. That shouldn’t even be a discussion, Hook should be ready to set the Jolly Roger ablaze to save Emma without a second thought.
Yeah and I guess others start out with statutory rape followed by said guy abandoning you and screwing you over completely cause of “destiny” which traumatizes you to the point where you don’t let anybody in, in fear that they will screw you over. How romantic.
I will never understand why people keep bringing this up as a point against Neal instead of a point for him. Yeah, leaving Emma in prison is a bad thing on the surface, but in doing so he was allowing her to become the savior and save countless people. He put aside he wants and desires and love for her in order for something much bigger than either of them, and had he not countless people in SB would have suffered for the rest of eternity. Hook has said if it were him he never would have done that, but that only goes to show how selfish Hook is. He doesn’t care about other, only himself and Emma.
I’m sorry, but any logical person would have and should have done with Neal did.
He didn’t know she was pregnant, he didn’t know he was leaving behind a child. He was letting go of Emma to allow her to become a hero. Why is that a bad thing????
And if leaving her in jail is somehow the reason Neal and Emma cant be together *clears throat* HOOK TRIED TO KILL EMMA AND HER ENTIRE FAMILY LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. I know no one is perfect, but sheesh.
And also, please. This is a fantasy show. I can walk up and down the aisle of Barnes and Noble and pick up dozens of books featuring “16 year old girl falls for 100 year old supernatural being”. Emma was 17, and I’m not saying in real life that is acceptable, its a show.
2. Both are orphans abandoned by everyone.
Who doesn’t have family/parental issues on this show? I think literally everyone has mommy and/or daddy issues on this show…..
3. Both are very sentimental even though they always claim they’re not.
Like most people….?
4. Both will do anything when it comes to fighting for their loved ones, including each other.
Like everyone…?
6. The many times the writers, JMO, and Colin have stated they were Kindred Spirits
As opposed to the times the writers said Hook wasn’t father material for Henry, or that Emma wouldn’t look at him and see a mate, or the times the writers and actors and actresses spoke positively about Neal/Emma?
Those are all pretty horoscope-ish parallels that can apply to most characters on the show as well as most people.
I mean I can continue with this all day but the parallels are there with Hook and Emma as well.
I’m sure there are, like POM said, we can find parallels for any and everyone if we look hard enough.
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