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I can see a lot of possibilities to use Zelena outside of the baby scenario. She is an extremely powerful witch with a lot of knowledge. She is an instant information source and can wield that information to gain more and more freedom within Storybrooke. She could become a Rumple-type character.
Thing is, if they use Zelena that way then they are stepping on a lot of existing regular characters toes. If Zelena is the information source, where does that leave Belle? As you say, Zelena is “powerful” with “a lot of knowledge” where does that leave Rumple when he does re-enter the story? Each existing character has a role to play within the group but if Zelena starts doubling up on those roles then you have a surplus of characters doing the same thing.
Well it would seem likely that Rumple and Belle will sit this mission out, thus opening a spot for Zelena.
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I don’t think Zelena has done anything so unseemly that no one in town would trust her if she was trying to bargain with them. No one had any reason to believe Rumple, Regina, or Hook at one point in the past, but they still did. Trust has to be earned and by making Bex a regular now they have the space to work on that trust.
Well, I do have issues to varying degrees on how people have trusted all those characters at varying points in the story. And I feel like anyone trusting Zelena, when she’s very recently held Rumple hostage and abused him, she gets off on gloating about being responsible for Neal’s death, and she fooled them all into thinking she was Marian then raped Robin to make a baby which she then used to torment Regina, that’s just pushing it beyond my personal suspension of disbelief if anyone in town has any time or consideration for her at all.
Even if they jump a few months by the time S5 starts, IMO that’s nowhere near a type of situation where anyone should be even remotely trusting her, or being willing to bargain with or work with her yet. We’ve had four seasons, and while I enjoy moments when Emma and Regina can work together now, I do still also feel uneasy about it sometimes, given Regina’s history with that family. So if they have characters giving Zelena the benefit of the doubt by the time S5 starts, and they’re therefore asking me as a viewer to also give her the benefit of the doubt already, that just ain’t gonna happen, and all it’s gonna do is make me even more annoyed with her character, (and everyone else’s characters), than I have been already.
‘Xactly. I do think the baby will be nixed.
I’m not sure the baby will be nixed–that would have a lot of backlash. But I do think that S5A will most likely take place over the course of a few days as opposed to months. Zelena only being, roughly, 2ish (if that?) months pregnant means that A and E can have her go off on a rescue mission because–lo and behold–Zelena knows *a thing!* that is important, while playing up the OQ+Zelena/baby angst, but NOT have to deal with the actual labor and baby situation until S5B.
I’m so conflicted. I like both Robin and Zelena as characters. But I just cannot get on board with that baby-storyline. And have actually really tried to see the silver-lining. I get that they used it to put Regina to the ultimate test, but they could have found another way to go.
Making Rebecca Mader a regular tells me that Zelena will soon be out of that cell – and most likely put her magic to use – either because she’s vital to finding Merlin/helping out in some way, or because she escapes and goes back to her wicked ways. I’m torn on whether she’ll turn out to be redeemable or if she’ll just stay wicked to the core. Already, Regina saved her life three times, and yet that didn’t stop Zelena from taking Robin away from her at first. So don’t know.
The thought occurred to me that Zelena may be the one to rid Emma of the darkness and take it for herself to become even more powerful and truly wicked. I’ve also had the notion that the child may not come into fruition. But I also agree, there would be some backlash, but probably no more than there was about the pregnancy to begin with.
And then I see a lot of discussion on Tumblr and Twitter about whether or not True Love breaks the curse of the potion Regina drank in the episode “Mother”. By all logic, it would, I suppose, in the sense that Regina can have children, but only with Robin. Sort of poetic.
Either way, the fact that both Sean and Rebecca are now regulars will certainly make for some drama no matter what course it takes, no matter if Zelena will be redeemed or become even darker.
Upgrading Robin was a no-brainer as all have said. Still very trepidatious about that whole storyline; I really liked OQ until it reached telenovela status but now it feels like the writers keep digging themselves further into a hole…I don’t love Zelena’s constant sneering so I could have definitely done without her.
Slightly off topic but some of the comments have me thinking about how awesome a Rumple storyline about him so full of knowledge of magic and total inability to actually perform magic would be… but we all know the amount of fantastic storylines they could’ve done with Rumple and where that’s led…
So I guess I’m kind of meh about the announcement…?
Upgrading Robin was a no-brainer as all have said. Still very trepidatious about that whole storyline; I really liked OQ until it reached telenovela status but now it feels like the writers keep digging themselves further into a hole…I don’t love Zelena’s constant sneering so I could have definitely done without her.
My thoughts on OQ are that it had potential and it still does, I could easily ship the AU OQ from the finale, but what ruins it in the normal canon is that the writers are trying so hard to push it as this love to end all loves because “soul mates” without actually taking the time to set it up and show us this. The writers are telling us we have to accept this ship as being, I guess on par with Snowing, without actually showing us WHY we should root for OQ. It’s called character shilling, The writers and characters wax lyrical about how OQ is this great love story, how OQ are “soul mates” etc but that is not what is being shown on screen.
Slightly off topic but some of the comments have me thinking about how awesome a Rumple storyline about him so full of knowledge of magic and total inability to actually perform magic would be… but we all know the amount of fantastic storylines they could’ve done with Rumple and where that’s led…
I agree. Rumple having to deal with not having magic would be a good storyline and would be in line with season 1 style storytelling. I’m not getting my hopes up though.
It looks like they may be doing to the Merlin storyline what they did with Frozen, make that the focus of 5A whilst the regulars play supporting roles.
I’m so conflicted. I like both Robin and Zelena as characters. But I just cannot get on board with that baby-storyline. And have actually really tried to see the silver-lining. I get that they used it to put Regina to the ultimate test, but they could have found another way to go.
I think the baby storyline is going to backfire on OQ big time specifically Regina. I’m certainly not Zelena’s biggest fan but I feel sympathy for her over Regina’s plan to just take her baby. I know the way Zelena went about getting pregnant was wrong on many levels yet I find Regina’s “solution” to the problem, taking an innocent baby away from its mother, to be just as wrong. Also, considering Zelena was abandoned as a baby, she’d probably want to avoid putting her child through the same thing so she wouldn’t give up the baby willingly.
I just can’t accept that such a course of action is okay because Regina is now the good guy so we’re supposed to root for her and everything she does.
And then I see a lot of discussion on Tumblr and Twitter about whether or not True Love breaks the curse of the potion Regina drank in the episode “Mother”. By all logic, it would, I suppose, in the sense that Regina can have children, but only with Robin. Sort of poetic.
I hope they don’t give Regina back her ability to have children only because it has the unfortunate implication that in order to be in a successful relationship, Regina had to be “fixed” and be able to bear children to be happy. It’s even worse if Robin is the only one Regina could have children with, again not only because of the “fixing” angle but also the fact that the writers would once again be trying to push how perfect OQ are for each other without backing it up onscreen by suggesting that Robin is the only guy Regina can be with.
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Keeper of FelixAnd then I see a lot of discussion on Tumblr and Twitter about whether or not True Love breaks the curse of the potion Regina drank in the episode “Mother”. By all logic, it would, I suppose, in the sense that Regina can have children, but only with Robin. Sort of poetic.
Of course that’s how it will end. I mean, I think half of us predicted that very thing as soon as Mother ended. IMO it’s pretty obvious
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And then I see a lot of discussion on Tumblr and Twitter about whether or not True Love breaks the curse of the potion Regina drank in the episode “Mother”. By all logic, it would, I suppose, in the sense that Regina can have children, but only with Robin. Sort of poetic.
Of course that’s how it will end. I mean, I think half of us predicted that very thing as soon as Mother ended. IMO it’s pretty obvious
Oh I really hope not. TLK didn’t fix the barren potion King Wat’s His Face gave Snow and idk if a potion counts as a curse. We know TLK undos any curse, but I don’t think it applies to every negative magical thing such as potions and spells. And beyond that, Regina has Henry. Regina has Roland. Regina will possibly have little baby greanbean. This lady doesn’t need another child in her life. And even beyond that, she can have her happy ending without a bun in the oven.
Its a nice thought, but I really don’t want to see Regina with all that. Maybe before the Zelena pregnant thing was a thing but not now. The sheer irony. “I’m gonna drink this potion so I can never haz kid. Lulz nope, now I gotz 4 kidz lulz” >_>"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI think the baby storyline is going to backfire on OQ big time specifically Regina. I’m certainly not Zelena’s biggest fan but I feel sympathy for her over Regina’s plan to just take her baby. I know the way Zelena went about getting pregnant was wrong on many levels yet I find Regina’s “solution” to the problem, taking an innocent baby away from its mother, to be just as wrong. Also, considering Zelena was abandoned as a baby, she’d probably want to avoid putting her child through the same thing so she wouldn’t give up the baby willingly. I just can’t accept that such a course of action is okay because Regina is now the good guy so we’re supposed to root for her and everything she does.
I don’t think Regina plans to steal Zelena’s baby away from her. She wants the baby to be born because it’s Robin’s child. Other than that, I don’t think she has planned it further other than she wants to be with Robin. They are in quite a predicament, because they really aren’t in a position to set Zelena free – to care for her child – because they cannot trust her with anything.
And then I see a lot of discussion on Tumblr and Twitter about whether or not True Love breaks the curse of the potion Regina drank in the episode “Mother”. By all logic, it would, I suppose, in the sense that Regina can have children, but only with Robin. Sort of poetic.
Of course that’s how it will end. I mean, I think half of us predicted that very thing as soon as Mother ended. IMO it’s pretty obvious
Meh. Maybe. Not convinced. In a way it makes sense. But I like that they have written the story in a way that Regina doesn’t feel a void in that regard. She has a child and is content with that. That said, the scene in the bar showed us briefly that she would like to have a child with Robin. But I agree that she doesn’t need to be “fixed” – though it would just be very fairy tale like if true love did do the trick here. But as has also been said, the whole thing with Zelena sort of makes it all very messy right now and I cling on to the hope that whoever came up with the Zelena pregnancy idea in the first place has a master plan for that storyline …
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