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They did say in the movie Elsa was born with her powers, not cursed. Her parents told the trolls that in the beginning when they go to them for help. So unless they retcon that part of the movie, I can’t see her cursing Elsa with her powers. That said, I bet she’s the original Snow Queen, like others have said, from Hans Christian Anderson’s tale since Frozen in no way resembles the original tale and they can meld it into Frozen.
“I Can’t Control The Curse!” – Elsa, Frozen (For The First Time In Forever Reprise)
Elizabeth Mitchell is definitely our villainess I believe…but I can’t see her being the Black Fairy. That would be too much thrown in eleven episodes….unless they have changed their minds and make this one big Arc with a part one and part two. But if not…I see The Black Fairy the villainess of Season 4B…
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“I Can’t Control The Curse!” – Elsa, Frozen (For The First Time In Forever Reprise)
But, also, there is this exchange in the movie. So it contradicts itself. Or Elsa just feels being born with this power is a cursed life for her.
GRAND PABBIE: Your Majesty. (referring to Elsa). Born with the powers or cursed?
KING: Born. And they’re getting stronger.
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Being born with an affliction like that can be seen as a type of “curse”, but, really, if they were to have Elizabeth Mitchell’s character curse Elsa, it wouldn’t really be retconning anything. It would be a retcon if they made a Frozen 2 and did something like that there, but the Disney movie and OUAT exist in different continuities, so it doesn’t really count as a retcon any more than any other liberties they’ve taken.
That said, my vote is definitely for Mitchell to be a pre-Elsa Snow Queen (there’s your way to avoid having the confusion of two “Ice Queens” – you simply don’t. Yeah, they’re not exactly loads different, but I’d think that Elsa would probably be called Elsa more than the Ice Queen, and Mitchell’s character could be referred to almost exclusively as the Snow Queen). That way they acknowledge both the Hans Christian Andersen tale and the film – Elsa’s backstory in which she gets cursed could even parallel the original tale where whatever the Snow Queen does to her can mirror (hah) the mirror-shard that gets in Kai’s eye in the story.
Unless she’s a recast Maleficent. That’s the only Black Fairy option I’ll take Mitchell for as I can’t see her as Morgana and I personally don’t believe (does anybody?) that the Black Fairy is just going to be an original evil fairy with no traditional basis.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
If Elizabeth Mitchell’s character is the new villain and Elsa is misunderstood and still learning to control her powers, maybe this new mystery character it going to do villainy things and make it look like Elsa did them. Like if SB ends up in a deep freeze, everyone will blame Elsa but it was really Elizabeth’s character that did the deed. The SB crew will all be focused on Elsa along with their own relationships drama so no one will suspect this mystery character, she’s just another townsperson like Zelena was claiming to be.
Nothing is impossible on OUAT. Everything has a way of repeating itself. Keeper of the Keeper tread: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/official-keeper-thread-3/#post-217924
Are there any other cold/frost related villians in Disney canon? If someone says Jack Frost I will pinch them >> :O *gasp* THAT’S IT!!!!!!!!!!!! ELIZABETH IS PLAYING…..
MRS. CLAUS!!!!! An evil fed up Mrs. Claus >:) *waits for my oscar*
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICMaybe she’s Elsa in a flashfoward. Maybe Rumple showed Elsa the future and she saw how evil she will become so she agreed to get in the urn…
You know what I can't continue with the dead people brought back to life list I'm out of space in the signature and now we have an underworld arc this is to much I quit why do you bring so many people back to life OUAT WHHHYYYY
If I’m not mistaken, in the original Ice Queen by H.C.A, there was a witch that trapped the little girl by the beauty of her garden. Perhaps, E. M. is the witch
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I think Santa Clause might be coming to the Once Upon a Time mythology.
When I heard about Elizabeth Mitchell joining the cast at first I was thinking LOST and then I remembered Elizabeth is Disney’s Mrs. Santa Clause! With Frozen’s Anna, Elsa and Reindeer already mentioned on set the chance of a Santa Clause tie seems like a real possibility. I put together a short list of possible nods. There may be more but this is what I remembered.
1. One Storybrooke shot has a store window all decorated in Christmas stuff. (don’t remember what episode)
2. In Once Upon a Time Wonderland when Alice and Cyrus go to Storybrooke there are Santa decorations in Mr. Gold’s shop window. (there are also two buckets of different colored eggs) http://yvrshoots.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ouat-w-5_marked.jpg
3. In a Season 3 episode Emma asks Henry if he believes in magic and he replies, yes, Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.
4. There is a scene in Red-Handed where Snow is hiding in Granny’s hen house and Red finds her and says that people call her Red. Snow’s replies that her name is “Sn-Frosty”! There was a lot of snow in that episode as well.
5. All the Hot Cocoa that is consumed on this show! lolGranny Lucas
It says that Elizabeth’s character has ties to Anna and Elsa as well as Storybrooke. I would love to see Elizabeth play a young Granny Lucas and I would love for Granny’s backstory to cross over into Frozen’s story!!! “I can’t control the wolf!” is so much like Elsa’s not being able to control her ice magic. There are a lot of parallels with Elsa pulling off her cloak and “letting it go” and Rudy shedding her cloak and controlling the wolf and letting herself run. There is so much beautiful snow and winter scenery in the Red-Handed story and it is also in this episode where we get Snow calling herself the name of Frosty.There are a lot of people who want to see Widow Lucas and Gepetto get together. Gepetto makes toys.
Robin Hood
Following my train of thought, if Widow Lucas’s backstory is part of a possible “Santa”, “Frozen” story, I thought about Robin Hood and how he uses a cross-bow in Storybrooke just like Granny Lucas uses a cross-bow. So I did a google search with the words, Santa Clause and Robin Hood just to see what would come up and I was surprised to find that both Santa Clause and Robin Hood come from the same origin legends of the forest’s Wild Men (see Google Books, “Santa Clause, Last of the Wild Men” by Phyllis Siefker, put “Robin Hood” in the “search this book” box and you will see some of the places Robin Hood is mentioned). Bears are also part of the Wild Man mythology. Bear imagery also works itself into OUaT in multiple places (bear in Rumples’ castle, Henry in baby bear outfit”. As of yet those nods have gone unexplained.In Santa Clause 3, Mrs. Clause is pregnant. How much fun would it be for Robin Hood to be related to Santa and Mrs. Clause….and/or Granny Lucas.
Hot Cocoa with Cinnamon
Why so many mentions of hot cocoa with cinnamon?Robin Hood being part of the Santa Clause family tree fits in well with my crazy theory about Robin Hood and Regina. If my crazy theory turns out to be true…that Robin Hood and Regina are Snow-White’s biological parents, then the hot cocoa part of the craving would come from the Santa Clause line of the family (Robin Hood’s side) and the cinnamon part of the craving would come from Regina’s side of the family (cinnamon being the spice of choice to go with apples).
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I think Santa Clause might be coming to the Once Upon a Time mythology.
A lot of people are convinced that Kristoff will become Santa. I especially like the parallels with the stop-motion “Santa Claus is Comin’ to Town” TV special.
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I thought Santa was already in OUAT. Wasn’t there a guy named Mr. K who gave someone (was it Emma?) a list of childrens names? Or something? I think I read a theory or heard it here that Mr. K was Mr. Klause. Or something. Idk. Its very vague.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC
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