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Well…we don’t know if Rumple did anything illegally? That’s an assumption many Oncers have made….but Rumple was in fact a lawyer. So I’m sure he knew all the lawyer things to know, and probably knew how to sweet talk the system into finding him a baby for adoption.
But this scene….was clear proof that Regina did go by regular route in adopting Henry. She legally adopted Henry, and by law, she is Henry’s mother. And by closed adoption, Emma signed over all parental rights….so in the eyes of the law, she is no longer Henry’s mother…Regina is. But now Regina is willingly sharing Henry with Emma, so they now share him.Most (if not all) people on the waiting lists would have had lawyers too, and there’s really no way to “get around” the wait and home studies and things without going through questionable channels. And the waiting lists for a healthy white newborn are the longest of all; there are plenty of cases of people basically buying babies illegally.
But my point still stands–why do you think our world’s laws should apply in child custody cases but not in the case of Regina’s murders and other felonies? Regina would be in jail for several life sentences if our laws meant much of anything in Storybrooke. That part still doesn’t make sense to me.
[adrotate group="5"]Most (if not all) people on the waiting lists would have had lawyers too, and there’s really no way to “get around” the wait and home studies and things without going through questionable channels. And the waiting lists for a healthy white newborn are the longest of all; there are plenty of cases of people basically buying babies illegally.
I agree. I think Rumple either forged documents or bribed people to sign off on things in order to get things rolling along quickly. There is no way Regina could’ve jumped ahead of the waiting list legally. The documents she had seemed to imply that all the necessary checks had been done hence why she was able to get Henry straightaway.
So whilst she may have a piece of paper saying that she is “officially” Henry’s mother, she obtained that paper through fraudulent methods.
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Keeper of FelixMost (if not all) people on the waiting lists would have had lawyers too, and there’s really no way to “get around” the wait and home studies and things without going through questionable channels. And the waiting lists for a healthy white newborn are the longest of all; there are plenty of cases of people basically buying babies illegally.
I agree. I think Rumple either forged documents or bribed people to sign off on things in order to get things rolling along quickly. There is no way Regina could’ve jumped ahead of the waiting list legally. The documents she had seemed to imply that all the necessary checks had been done hence why she was able to get Henry straightaway. So whilst she may have a piece of paper saying that she is “officially” Henry’s mother, she obtained that paper through fraudulent methods.
Well…to think is one thing, it’s again, an assumption. What we were shown was that the adoption was legal, and I think Adam even confirmed this on his twitter. We have no proof that it was through fraudulent methods, as Rumple was a real lawyer, and could have gone through the right route. Besides this is a television show, we have no idea the timeline between her meeting with Rumple to her heading to Boston to adopt Henry. It could have been ten months for all we know, but the point is, by Emma signed over all parental rights, making her legally not his mother and with no relations whatsoever. Regina legally adopted him, and she is Henry’s mother.
@Epona, As for Regina’s crimes, if the Charmings went to our government claiming that Regina was the Evil Queen who cursed every fairy tale character to Earth….that case would be thrown out, and the Charmings would be sent to the crazy house. So those accounts would not be held in the court of law, and therefore Regina would not be held accountable for any of her actions."If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
This is an extremely interesting conversation 😛 lets see what I can throw in here:
Hmm, gonna throw this out there: Regina is technically, ya know, an illegal citizen of, ya know, our world >_> her magic/the curse basically created a false identity for her and everyone in SB. If you really think about it, Henry’s adoption really was illegal because “Regina Mills, Mayor of StoryBrooke, Maine” doesn’t exist. Anything pertaining to her is technically false. Now idk much about adoption and the legal paperwork and such but I would guess that even if a real person, lets say her name was Jane Johnson, managed to created false documents with false information, but filed them legally and obtained a child by going through the proper channels, if she were found out, she’d probably not only have the child taken away from her, she’d be in prison. Isn’t it th same concept? Does any of what I just said make sense?
So those accounts would not be held in the court of law, and therefore Regina would not be held accountable for any of her actions.
Not all of Regina’s crimes happened in the EF. She still killed Graham and admitted it, plus she admitted to trying to poison Emma and ended poisoning her son. Ya know. The son she adopted. Just bringing up that alone could get Henry taken away. Oh, and she killed Owen’s dad. And confessed that too. So even without bringing magic into it, if they wanted to make a case against Regina they’ve got plenty to choose from 😛 but my statement still stands, I think Henry should just alternate equally between Emma and Regina.
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Exactly–maybe you missed my original post, but I specified just crimes committed in our world. Murder (Graham, Kurt), attempted murder (Henry, Emma, David), abduction and wrongful imprisonment (Belle, Kathryn, Sydney Glass), and I forgot to say it earlier but also major obstruction of justice for tampering with all of the evidence in Kathryn’s “murder”. Oh, and trespassing and breaking and entering (to hide false evidence in Mary Margaret’s apartment), and stealing (the jewelry box from her apartment too). And those are just concrete things (and just the ones I thought of off the top of my head); there’s also the emotional abuse she inflicted on Henry throughout the whole first season and probably farther back.
Now like I said before, since this clearly ISN’T based on our world’s laws and it’s a fantasy TV show, I think Henry should spend as much time with Regina as he wants; apparently he’s forgiven her. It’s just that it makes no sense to go by our laws for one thing and not the others.
This is an extremely interesting conversation
lets see what I can throw in here: Hmm, gonna throw this out there: Regina is technically, ya know, an illegal citizen of, ya know, our world >_> her magic/the curse basically created a false identity for her and everyone in SB. If you really think about it, Henry’s adoption really was illegal because “Regina Mills, Mayor of StoryBrooke, Maine” doesn’t exist. Anything pertaining to her is technically false. Now idk much about adoption and the legal paperwork and such but I would guess that even if a real person, lets say her name was Jane Johnson, managed to created false documents with false information, but filed them legally and obtained a child by going through the proper channels, if she were found out, she’d probably not only have the child taken away from her, she’d be in prison. Isn’t it th same concept? Does any of what I just said make sense?So those accounts would not be held in the court of law, and therefore Regina would not be held accountable for any of her actions.
Not all of Regina’s crimes happened in the EF. She still killed Graham and admitted it, plus she admitted to trying to poison Emma and ended poisoning her son. Ya know. The son she adopted. Just bringing up that alone could get Henry taken away. Oh, and she killed Owen’s dad. And confessed that too. So even without bringing magic into it, if they wanted to make a case against Regina they’ve got plenty to choose from
but my statement still stands, I think Henry should just alternate equally between Emma and Regina. I.
Technically…through the magic of the curse, it created legal identities for everyone in SB! So everyone has social security numbers in SB, because they magically appeared within the US System. It’s Magic…it made everything real! Storybrooke can much be compared to an Amish Village, it may be near impossible to find, but if it’s in the system, it exists somewhere. So Storybrooke is a magically created town that in the eyes of the law, is a real town.
As for the documents….again….who says any of the process was illegal??? What proof was shown or said that Rumple did this illegally? If Regina and Emma went before a US Judge tomorrow, Regina could pull out legal documents of both Emma signing away her parental rights, as well as her signed legal adoption papers. She could even call up the man who authorized the adoption! I’m pretty sure The Agency looked up to see whether or not SB is a real place, and due to the magical curse, it came up as a real place! It’s even on the US Map, I think we saw in the pilot when Emma was driving Henry back home to SB. And on the US map Tamara had when she was traveling there. Everything about Storybrooke, as far as America concerned, is legit! And so is the adoption.
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Emma: Your honor…this woman is the Evil Queen who cursed every fairy tale character to Storybrooke! She magically crushed the heart of the former Sheriff of Storybrooke! And poisoned my son with a sleeping cursed Apple Turnover! Cursed Belle with amnesia, and used her as bait for Rumpelstilskin! (Rumple would be tied into the Kathryn situation/tampering evidence, so I’m sure he’s going to make sure that doesn’t come up, plus…he owes Regina because she did come up with that ulterior Pan situation that could have worked, not to mention she saved him from both Pan and Zelena control. Greg and Tamara are dead, so NO ONE knows about the whole Owen Situation.)
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Regina:
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
As for the documents….again….who says any of the process was illegal??? What proof was shown or said that Rumple did this illegally? If Regina and Emma went before a US Judge tomorrow, Regina could pull out legal documents of both Emma signing away her parental rights, as well as her signed legal adoption papers. She could even call up the man who authorized the adoption! I’m pretty sure The Agency looked up to see whether or not SB is a real place, and due to the magical curse, it came up as a real place! It’s even on the US Map, I think we saw in the pilot when Emma was driving Henry back home to SB. And on the US map Tamara had when she was traveling there. Everything about Storybrooke, as far as America concerned, is legit! And so is the adoption.
The reason Regina went to Gold is because he knew how to “work the system”. She didn’t want to sit around and wait 2 years for a baby, she wanted the baby NOW. House checks would’ve had to be done and since nobody can come to Storybrooke from the outside world before Emma, the only way that could be done and signed off was if that evidence was falsified.
Regina raised Henry so that makes her just as much his mother as Emma is. However, since Emma came to Storybrooke and broke the curse, Henry has CHOSEN to spend the majority of his time with Emma and Snowing.
Emma: Your honor…this woman is the Evil Queen who cursed every fairy tale character to Storybrooke! She magically crushed the heart of the former Sheriff of Storybrooke! And poisoned my son with a sleeping cursed Apple Turnover! Cursed Belle with amnesia, and used her as bait for Rumpelstilskin! (Rumple would be tied into the Kathryn situation/tampering evidence, so I’m sure he’s going to make sure that doesn’t come up, plus…he owes Regina because she did come up with that ulterior Pan situation that could have worked, not to mention she saved him from both Pan and Zelena control. Greg and Tamara are dead, so NO ONE knows about the whole Owen Situation.)
Emma wouldn’t be stupid enough to spout the magic stuff to a lawyer but Regina has done stuff without magic that could get her imprisoned.
Also Rumple doesn’t owe Regina anything. She did not save him from Pan, Rumple sacrificed himself to save everyone from Pan. The less said about Regina in Kansas the better. And just because Regina got away with murder doesn’t mean she should automatically get Henry.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSo everyone has social security numbers in SB, because they magically appeared within the US System.
Absolute conjecture on your part. There has never been any proof whatsoever that anyone in SB has a SS# that would be recognizable to the United States Government. The Curse did not affect the outside world. The US government does not know of SB, Maine. They have never filed for federal taxes, they do not vote in public elections.
So Storybrooke is a magically created town that in the eyes of the law, is a real town.
SB is real in the sense that it exists for the people living in it. Legally, to the United States of America this town does not exist and has never existed.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So everyone has social security numbers in SB, because they magically appeared within the US System.
Absolute conjecture on your part. There has never been any proof whatsoever that anyone in SB has a SS# that would be recognizable to the United States Government. The Curse did not affect the outside world. The US government does not know of SB, Maine. They have never filed for federal taxes, they do not vote in public elections.
So Storybrooke is a magically created town that in the eyes of the law, is a real town.
SB is real in the sense that it exists for the people living in it. Legally, to the United States of America this town does not exist and has never existed.
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And there is no proof that SB isn’t recognized by our government. We have no clue if they hadn’t filed federal taxes, or vote in public elations. These are all once again assumptions just because it’s a curse made town. It was created by magic, so I’m quite sure, all of it’s records was created through magic!
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Once again…it was created through magic! It may very well be recognized as a real small town by the US! Just as Amish Towns are near impossible to find, the same could be said for Storybrooke!
@POM… once again, assumptions assumptions. Due to Rumple’s “meticulous dealing” history, we are left to assume that Rumple “worked the system” through illegal means. But, we have no proof of such. 😛 Again….we don’t know the time span between Regina visiting Rumple, and her going to Boston. That could have been ten months apart.
Oh, and Rumple does owe Regina in a sense…I mean big time. From hinting off Snow to how to kill her mother, to killing her sister, and yes Regina did save Pandora Box Trapped Rumple, as well as Henry from Pan. Then she saved Rumple from Zelena, by defeating her sister, and even gave the dagger back to Belle. And as I said….what magic less things did Regina do in SB that could incarcerate her? If we’re referring to the Mary Margret/Kathryn situation…well, Rumples name would be dragged into that also, and I’m 99.9% sure, he wouldn’t allow that to happen. Imprisoning Belle in the looney bin? Well, I’m sure there are curse created records, that would explain that. Sidney Glass? The genie’s too in love/obsessed with Regina, to go behind her like that.
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I just want to reiterate one point: none of this matters. Henry and Henry’s opinion matter more than who has “legal” or “magical” or “the most right” to him. Henry wants to be with both his mothers and the town and the family are situated in way that makes this incredibly workable. And that’s what this needs to be about: what is best for Henry and his emotional and developmental well being.
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