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Not to mention that the twist in Savior Emma sacrificing herself to save the whole town by absorbing all of the darkness into herself is eerily similar to when Savior Jesus was on the Cross taking all the world’s sickness and sins upon himself…..
Let’s be honest, some stories out the bible Adam and Eddy love to play and twist with in OUAT, (cough) David and Goliath/Giant (cough).
So if that really is what they are doing, then at some point, I’d assume Emma would have to die this season thus dying with all the Darkness in her. As Cora said “All that power would burst into thin air” thus destroying the threat of the Dark One forever, and then somehow, the gang would have to find a way to resurrect the Savior (pun intended). Which “voila” could bring us into Disney’s Hercules soon, as we all know Hades runs over the Land of the Dead.
Perhaps have Emma raise herself from the dead, and let Hades be our next villain to face as he feels he somehow owns her?
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Well there was this kid named Baelfire…. and lest we forget, one of Rumple’s first acts as the new DO was to stop a war and lead the children home to safety. It was not all about ALL ZE POWER.
The difference is that Rumple became the Dark One to intentionally use the powers for those purposes, as noble as they initially were. When Emma sacrificed herself, it was because it was the only way to stop the darkness from destroying the town, not because she intended to actually use the Dark One powers. And lest we forget, Rumple also took those powers not just to save his son, but because he no longer wanted to be a powerless coward. One of the first things he did as the Dark One was kill Hordor and his men. Yes he was saving Baelfire from being drafted, but he didn’t necessarily have to resort to killing the soldiers.
You’re right Rumple didn’t have to kill and lot of his emergence as the Dark One stems from his own tortured background and (low) feelings of self worth. That’s what made him an such a fascinating antihero, villain. With Rumple there was always something lurking under the surface–namely Baelfire and his desire to find his child.
Let me put it this way: if the writers want Emma to struggle (which I am all for) then let her struggle for the entire arc, like Rumple was shown to struggle with his inner darkness as it continued to consume him. Baelfire and then later Belle were his light. That’s fine and works for a show that like to play around with the very archetypical themes of light and dark. So… make the season about Emma’s back and forth–the never ending unceasing battle of light vs dark–that’s a great story (it’s the only story…). But to have dark win (if temporarily) in the face of the Savior’s light and True Love Incarnate DNA….that’s trickier and flies in the face of any established world building and story thus far.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Not to mention that the twist in Savior Emma sacrificing herself to save the whole town by absorbing all of the darkness into herself is eerily similar to when Savior Jesus was on the Cross taking all the world’s sickness and sins upon himself…..
And then Jesus totally went EVUL and decided to take out the world he had just saved!!!!
(hint: no)
(second hint: that’s not a twist. That’s mythic storytelling 101)
So if that really is what they are doing, then at some point, I’d assume Emma would have to die this season thus dying with all the Darkness in her. As Cora said “All that power would burst into thin air” thus destroying the threat of the Dark One forever, and then somehow, the gang would have to find a way to resurrect the Savior (pun intended). Which “voila” could bring us into Disney’s Hercules soon, as we all know Hades runs over the Land of the Dead.
Eh possibly. She doesn’t need to literally die anymore. If this is her katabasis, and it really is, then she’s metaphorically dead because she’s now the Dark Swan, not the Savior. She’s making her way through the (metaphorical) underworld. She needs to come back to herself and transcend–her apotheosis–and become the mistress of two worlds (light and dark, the mythical and the real)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So if that really is what they are doing, then at some point, I’d assume Emma would have to die this season thus dying with all the Darkness in her. As Cora said “All that power would burst into thin air” thus destroying the threat of the Dark One forever, and then somehow, the gang would have to find a way to resurrect the Savior (pun intended). Which “voila” could bring us into Disney’s Hercules soon, as we all know Hades runs over the Land of the Dead.
Eh possibly. She doesn’t need to literally die anymore. If this is her katabasis, and it really is, then she’s metaphorically dead because she’s now the Dark Swan, not the Savior. She needs to come back to herself–her apotheosis–and become the mistress of two worlds (light and dark, the mythical and the real)
I guess when you put it like that, it does seem like the Savior is technically dead because she’s the Dark Swan, however….I have no clue what or who could possibly draw Emma back from the depths of madness and villainy, I’m wondering if even Henry is capable of it because based on JMo’s “free from responsibility and total freedom Emma” description she gave, will she just abandon Henry or just keep her distance from him to protect him, surely she wouldn’t hurt her own son.
Maybe, maybe Rumple’s whole “Light One” Phase in Season 4 Finale was a hint at what’s to come, maybe the Dark One Curse can’t be removed but it can be altered to transform that which was once dark into light, maybe Merlin will turn Emma into the Light One/True Love Incarnate/Savior, thus making Emma the most powerful sorceress ever born, well….I don’t know about “ever born”, but you know what I mean!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Okay, I be a little confused here. I thought the Dark One-ness would be instant as it has always been. But I suppose since the powers did not transfer in the traditional way it works differently too? I’ll refrain from judging too harshly at the moment, but gotta say, it feels a little like having ones cake and eating it too. Like with Snow casting the dark curse and getting to keep the thing she loves most (yes at a price, half a heart, but we’ve yet to see any severe consequences of that). Emma saving the town and absorbing the darkness but without any real consequences (yet? for very long? for one or two episodes?) seems just a bit easy and convenient.
And like RG says, if she can resist (whatever that means exactly) why does it eventually overcome her? Is it inevitable that she will become the DO no matter what or is it a choice of sorts to give in? Cause if it’s the latter, see first sentence of post.
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I have no clue what or who could possibly draw Emma back from the depths of madness and villainy, I’m wondering if even Henry is capable of it because based on JMo’s “free from responsibility and total freedom Emma” description she gave, will she just abandon Henry or just keep her distance from him to protect him, surely she wouldn’t hurt her own son.
Unless it’s the Savior (her inner light) who does it (which I’d be fine with and heck..I would applaud the idea that Emma saves herself through her own determination of will and inner light. That’s a positive message) But there is an alternative that seems far more probable even if it doesn’t seem to make sense given what JMo is saying and what you just pointed out.
A and E are stuck on their TLK’s. They like them. They love them. There is a clear, IMO, path here from what happened in the finale. I’ve said this before: there is a reason why Emma declared her love to Hook but did not kiss him before she went off to face the swirling vortex of terror while, across town, Rumple has had his darkness sucked out of him, thereby robbing Belle and Rumple of their iconic (and long demanded) Beauty and the Beast TLK that revives and cures the Beast.
Therefore while it seems impossible that anyone–Henry, Hook, Snowing–could pull Emma back into the light with TLK (especially since Belle’s kiss in the Castle and then subsequent kisses in SB did not work with Rumple), it goes back to something else I’ve said repeatedly: it is less about the story now and more about the OMG! Tweetable moments that OUAT (and, to be fair, a *vast* majority of today’s media) are after. One of the “power” couples (no disrespect intended with quotes, promise) on the show breaking the *ultimate* darkness with TLK (something super iconic)? You better believe that’ll light up Twitter and get the news media attention.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Okay, I be a little confused here.
So say we all.
I’ll refrain from judging too harshly at the moment, but gotta say, it feels a little like having ones cake and eating it too
Which is why the narrative reason for Emma going fully dark after struggling against seems to be PLOT as opposed to a logical and concise in show reason. I suppose we could say we don’t know much about the dark curse and therefore don’t know the logical and concise rules, but…well your cake metaphor works. It’s easy to brush aside the criticism with “well we just don’t know.” (read: we don’t know because they don’t know and likely haven’t thought it out until now when they need to because…say it with me…PLOT)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well, did she not find her home, her family, her son, her purpose beginning with the end of S1 up to the present day, especially in the S3 finale and then during the Frozen arc and Queen of Darkness Arc. She accepted who she was, her powers, the whole part and parcel with Elsa in 408 (and then shot off fireworks for reasons).
I think 4B was structured to really challenge the sense of home Emma found at the end of 4A. She found out that she’s not a good person because of Emma, but because her parents are zealots. Although she struggled with good and bad decisions previously, she was really pushed to the limit in 4B. Even killing Cruella was sketchy.
Well, did she not find her home, her family, her son, her purpose beginning with the end of S1 up to the present day, especially in the S3 finale and then during the Frozen arc and Queen of Darkness Arc. She accepted who she was, her powers, the whole part and parcel with Elsa in 408 (and then shot off fireworks for reasons).
I think 4B was structured to really challenge the sense of home Emma found at the end of 4A. She found out that she’s not a good person because of Emma, but because her parents are zealots. Although she struggled with good and bad decisions previously, she was really pushed to the limit in 4B. Even killing Cruella was sketchy.
Did she not ultimately find it again by willingly sacrificing her life/goodness for said town, home and people? And really challenge? Maybe yes (though she wasn’t looking to run away like she has for most of her life. She didn’t get the bug and go with the intention of never coming back). Did she have a hard season with her folks? Absolutely. She also forgave them and told them to find a way to do what they did to her as a fetus again now that she’s been infected.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"She also forgave them and told them to find a way to do what they did to her as a fetus again now that she’s been infected.
(Ok, this made me laugh out loud.)
From my interpretation of Emma, she may forgive, but she never forgets. She might have come to a place where she could tell her parents, you know its ok, but that wouldn’t erase the effects that information had on her sense of self.
I think this discussion does show how ambiguous the narrative is around what makes Emma “Emma.” She is the product of True Love. She is the Savior. She is someone who had her ‘darkness’ taken out of her and placed in another child. She is a lost girl who never had a home until her late 20’s. She is also the person in Storybrooke with the most potential for darkness.
That is a lot to deal with and I think all of those things combined could push her to the place where she does accept the darkness, because to Dark Emma, it means being free of all of those ‘things’ for the first time.
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