Eww CaptainSwan shippers

[surayya]

@tombo671 wrote:

You left out Cora, right? Because they haven’t introduced her backstory yet, and I’m hoping they make an exception with her and have her start off with evil tendencies only to be manipulated by Rumple later on, because she really does resemble a psychopath/Sociopath. Also I agree about Hook. Personally I see Hook as more of an Anti-Hero, even though the writers are trying to make it that way he just doesn’t seem that way. Most of what he’s doing Is because he hates Rumple, Pretty similar story to Reginas however Regina was much more extreme and Brutal and she has killed more people in her normal lifespan than Hook has in his 300 years, and that goes without mentioning Rumple and Cora, Hook just ain’t in their league if he’s considered a villain.

You got it in one- I left her out because we don’t know much about her past yet (we know she has murdered yes, but she was already twisted at that point & we don’t know if it was in her nature or she was driven to it) & the fact we have her back story coming up in the next few eps anway.
I also agree with Hook being an anti-hero 😉

[surayya]

@TheLadyBelle wrote:

What I don’t like about CaptainSwan is that it clearly is supposed to be a kind of psudo-Elizabeth Swan/Jack Sparrow relationship. It’s just… I don’t want to use the word, but I feel like I have to: dumb. It’s only there to connect to fangirls who’ll just go: OMG! CaptainSwan! Hook is just Sexy…!!!
Sorry for the ranting, but that’s what I feel about it.

See I wasn’t a fan of PoC (I’ve seen them, but I didn’t really like them) & I just don’t see the connection you do there between the 2 couples…..I thought Elizabeth/ Orlando character were together 😕
I do get where you are coming from with over kill though (I current hate is the Emma/ Neal ships, along with the Neal is sooo sexy posts & got sick of all the Whale threads there was a while ago- but I just try avoid those threads as best I can).
Yep, Hook is hot or sexy or what it is they are going on about, but then so are many of the other EF guys (Charming with his shirt off was a real threat- Lucky Snow!)- it’s not like he’s the only one & I’ll bet they’ll jump on the next ‘new’ hot guy to come along 😆 😉

Annnyways, I’m highly doubtful that Eddi & Adam would pair Hook & Emma together just for some teens to scream about, so you can take hope from that 😉

I know none of this will change what you feel & it wasn’t intended for that anyway- everyone is entitled to think & feel as they want to- period! But maybe it can help put it into context for you & it might not bug you so much 🙂

[surayya]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

@Sarah_TN wrote:

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I would like Emma to end up with someone who isn’t Neal or Hook.

But I want my Hook fix! 😥

I don’t see Hook wanting to play happy families with Emma and Henry. He only wants Emma. However Henry is a big part of Emma’s life and will always come first. Hook is never going to convince Emma to ditch her son like he did with Milah. At best, if Emma and Hook do pair up, there will be some delightfully awkward scenes between Hook and Henry where Hook has to play nice and Henry making life extremely difficult for Hook.

Neal’s betrayal of Emma has affected her life very deeply for at least ten years. That’s not something that is going to be easy to forgive and forget. Fairytale land may run on true love and finding each other but the real world doesn’t. Henry may want his parents together but so do many kids in reality. Having Neal and Emma on good terms with each other but seeing other people can portray the fact that having your parents split up isn’t the end of the world as some kids may think it is.

Emma needs someone who isn’t going to or has already hurt her. How can she trust Neal after what he did and how can she trust that Hook isn’t going to stab her in the back when it suits him? (she can’t hence why she left him at the top of the beanstalk). Trust is the foundation of all good relationships. If there is no trust, then the relationship will eventually crumble. Emma may try and date Hook and she may try and give Neal a second chance, but at the end of the day, her inability to trust either of these men will prevent any relationship with them from going long term.

GRRRRRRR lost my post, but it kept the quote darn it 👿
None of our bad guys (or even Emma) wanted to play happy families either, until after they found True Love & wanted to redeem themselves, so I don’t see Hook as being any different there either, if he finds true love he will have a reason to change & redeem.

I agree totally with your 2nd paragraph.

I also think that Emma needs a strong True love (she deserves it like no other, since she grew up loveless on account of having to save everyone else) & I agree with you on ‘the trust is the foundation of all good relationships’, she needs someone she can trust, ‘as if there is no trust, then the relationship will eventually crumble’.
Neal isn’t a candidate for that give how the show has portrayed True Love & how he has behaved. Having enough trust to have a good relationship for Henry’s sake, I think will take time, but will happen.
Hook on the other hand I don’t see as having broken Emma’s trust 1st- it was her who betrayed Hooks trust 1st (on account of what Neal did to her no less) & as Hook said to her later ‘I wouldn’t have done that to you’ (it has been confirmed that this is the truth- Hook would not have left her up there by Adam & Eddie & that she upset Hook by betraying him so). I think Emma’s reaction to Hook after that statement, has changed slightly- she doesn’t trust him yet, but she has dropped her guard/ hostilely (not sure those are the right words) slightly.

I’ve always paralleled Hook & Emma’s interactions with Charming & Snow’s
How Hook & Emma’s meet, with Charming & Snow’s- Charming trapping the thief Snow in a net & forcing her to get back his ring, Emma trapping Hook & forcing him to get their ticket home.
Hook & Emma’s trip up the bean stalk & Charming & Snow’s forest walk to the Troll bridge- both Charming & Hook poked & prodded until Snow & Emma revealed something deep & meaningful about themselves.
Snow & Emma then both ditched their guy’s in order to carry out their own goals- Snow shoved Charming into the river & Emma chained Hook a wall up a beanstalk (much more effective). Then both guys turn back up help to the girls out & let them know they don’t do mindless killing of women (Charming with the Queens men, Hook with Auroras heart & throwing his fight with Emma). There are more, but I’ll leave it at that 😉

[surayya]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

If Henry finds out Bae’s his dad, making Rumple his Grandpa, then he may start having ideas about one big happy family get together. Hook’s revenge quest against Rumple would hurt that, which in turn would hurt Henry. Emma wouldn’t allow that.

Emma’s and Hook’s relationship is doomed to failure. She wouldn’t want him to take revenge against Rumple, and he would resent her if he was forced to give up his revenge.

I think it’s more than likely that Henry will try to get everyone to be one big happy family- I hope they don’t go down that rd personally tho.
We also have to remember Neal doesn’t even know he is a father- Emma found out in jail, not before, it is possible he wont even want Henry to start off with, or deny he is his son.
Add to the fact that Neal hasn’t bothered to go looking for her, now he knows where she is- means he is hardly stacking up to be a serious True Love prospect at all.

Rumples quest to get his son back meant he himself ensured Regina would be a monster, so she could enact the curse, causing Emma to go 28yrs without her parents- yet Emma is willing to be kind to Rumple & help him still. If Hook- like Rumple & Regina, had a True Love worth fighting for, then Hook wouldn’t be all consumed by his need for revenge & Emma could provide this, much as Belle & Henry do for Rumple & Regina.

[dub1026]

@SwanHook wrote:

Hahahah!! All humour put aisde..did you really have to make a new topic just for this?
I get it, you don’t like the ship, but please at least come up with a decent argument. 😆

It wasnt really an argument, more of a comedic statement to be taken with a grain of salt.

[dub1026]

I forgot I started this topic, and was delighted to come across it again and see 93 replies. HOWEVER, I stopped myself after only 2 pages because I refuse to read posts where other members are berating someone for what they think, predict, or feel. Get over it, and over yourself. This is a friendly place with no need for that kind of activity.

[dub1026]

So after reading through it some more, I see several of you are offended and/or upset and/or find my post VERY immature and immediately confrontational, as one put it… Wow! If anyone should be offended at this point, its me. Here on this website, we are all real human beings, however the show we watch it not real. So is it justified for you to belittle me and my opinions over a fictional character? I have free will to write in here, as everyone else does, but it has been taken to a completely different level. If you dont like the post, dont read it. There was NOTHING meant to come off as offensive, insensitive, confrontation, or the like. It was MY opinion, and ME stating that MY first reaction to thinking about someone dating their childs grandmothers boyfriend, which would be EWWW! Grow up, really.

[spinninggold]

@dub1026 wrote:

I forgot I started this topic, and was delighted to come across it again and see 93 replies. HOWEVER, I stopped myself after only 2 pages because I refuse to read posts where other members are berating someone for what they think, predict, or feel. Get over it, and over yourself. This is a friendly place with no need for that kind of activity.

Hear Hear! Some people seem to have taken this thread WAY to serious, and forgotten it’s just a TV-show. A very good tv-show, intricate and well written, but still, it’s entertainment. You are supposed to like some characters and hate others, otherwise there would be no tension, and it would quickly become very dull. But that does not mean you take that out on eachother as fans.
And yes, Colin O’Donoghue has some immature 15 yr old shippers. Remember, you were 15 years old too. And probably had a completely inappropriate crush on someone. (Jonathan Rhys Meyers, WHAT happened to you? You used to be so cute and understated… And then you went *yuck* mainstream!… Yeah I have first hand experience with shipping an Irishman) The thing is, it’s part of growing up, new world open themselves to you and you become wiser from it. Well usually anyways… And you make a few good friends with similar tastes along the way (and share knitting patterns).
But the most important thing is that you have FUN! And that’s why you never attack someone’s taste.
When I read your initial post Dub1026 I immediately saw it as a joke, some fun. It saddens me some people took it so seriously and saw it as an opportunity to attack Hook fans. So you don’t like the guy? Someone else does. Respect that.

If following Jonathan Rhys Meyers taught me anything over the years, it was how to enjoy the bad guy of the plot. Maybe that’s why the actors I like have a resumé where half of the roles the play, they don’t make it through alive to the end of the movie.
Robert Carlyle, you make such a nice addition to that! 😆 😆 😆

[dub1026]

@SpinningGold wrote:

@dub1026 wrote:

I forgot I started this topic, and was delighted to come across it again and see 93 replies. HOWEVER, I stopped myself after only 2 pages because I refuse to read posts where other members are berating someone for what they think, predict, or feel. Get over it, and over yourself. This is a friendly place with no need for that kind of activity.

Hear Hear! Some people seem to have taken this thread WAY to serious, and forgotten it’s just a TV-show. A very good tv-show, intricate and well written, but still, it’s entertainment. You are supposed to like some characters and hate others, otherwise there would be no tension, and it would quickly become very dull. But that does not mean you take that out on eachother as fans.
And yes, Colin O’Donoghue has some immature 15 yr old shippers. Remember, you were 15 years old too. And probably had a completely inappropriate crush on someone. (Jonathan Rhys Meyers, WHAT happened to you? You used to be so cute and understated… And then you went *yuck* mainstream!… Yeah I have first hand experience with shipping an Irishman) The thing is, it’s part of growing up, new world open themselves to you and you become wiser from it. Well usually anyways… And you make a few good friends with similar tastes along the way (and share knitting patterns).
But the most important thing is that you have FUN! And that’s why you never attack someone’s taste.
When I read your initial post Dub1026 I immediately saw it as a joke, some fun. It saddens me some people took it so seriously and saw it as an opportunity to attack Hook fans. So you don’t like the guy? Someone else does. Respect that.

If following Jonathan Rhys Meyers taught me anything over the years, it was how to enjoy the bad guy of the plot. Maybe that’s why the actors I like have a resumé where half of the roles the play, they don’t make it through alive to the end of the movie.
Robert Carlyle, you make such a nice addition to that! 😆 😆 😆

Thanks for seeing it for what it was. I do too forget that many of the users here are younger than myself(27), although some just act younger.

[surayya]

@dub1026 wrote:

So after reading through it some more, I see several of you are offended and/or upset and/or find my post VERY immature and immediately confrontational, as one put it… Wow! If anyone should be offended at this point, its me. Here on this website, we are all real human beings, however the show we watch it not real. So is it justified for you to belittle me and my opinions over a fictional character? I have free will to write in here, as everyone else does, but it has been taken to a completely different level. If you dont like the post, dont read it. There was NOTHING meant to come off as offensive, insensitive, confrontation, or the like. It was MY opinion, and ME stating that MY first reaction to thinking about someone dating their childs grandmothers boyfriend, which would be EWWW! Grow up, really.

I’d try take it with a grain of salt…. sometimes people over react to innocent things on account of past experiences they’ve had & sometimes it’s hard to tell how old someone is by their posts alone- is there even an age restriction to join these forums?
I guess the nature of these things is unless there is an age restriction, you are going to get over reactions, from younger &/or passionate fans (no disrespect intended to anyone here- I’m generalising).

I see both points of view here, at the end of the day I personally didn’t find your thread topic offensive, but could see how a younger reader may well construe it as an attack on their fav character- it just cant be helped given people with say 50 yrs age difference (again generalising), can be posting on the same thread- they have vastly different life experiences, usually very different understandings & view points, so things can get lost in translation sometimes.

About 6 pages in or so, people just start talking about the subject matter rather than why the thread was started- when I 1st posted I hadn’t read from the beginning, so had no idea about all the drama lol.
It is fun reading everyone’s different take on the Hook/Emma, Neal/Emma, Neal/Rumple, Rumple/Henry relationships & why, once the subject was picked up again- so I thank you for starting the thread, despite it going off topic & doing loops for a few pages, it has otherwise been an interesting thread 🙂

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