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September 28, 2015 at 7:31 am #308606TheWatcherParticipant
Hmmm… I wonder if whoever holds Excalibur can control the Dark One.
Yeah, I think that’s what they were going for. The King of Camelot weilds the mightiest sword that can subdue the darkest of all magic. How heroic.
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September 29, 2015 at 10:29 pm #308765timespacerParticipantI loved the surprise, too. Now I can’t wait to see the story behind it!
September 29, 2015 at 11:39 pm #308769nevermoreParticipantI loved the twist too, though I think someone on the forums (@Phee?) speculated that the dagger and promo pictures of Excalibur looked similar. So once I saw it, it almost felt familiar. But it’s a great way to return back to the roots of the show.
Perhaps originally the blade was forged to be a kind of ultimate magical weapon to end all magical weapons and banish all darkness / to have good triumph once and for all. But somewhere along the way, it got tainted — as it should in a “world in balance” kind of cosmology. Then someone separated off the tainted bit, and it became the dagger. I suspect that whoever did it would have to be the original Dark One — perhaps this is at the origin of the DO curse, a kind of Faustian bargain by someone who tried to illegitimately harness Excalibur’s power.
A quick bit of speculation. Looks like the sword incinerates the unworthy — is this a feature of the sword itself, or of the enchantment placed on it by, presumably, Merlin, when he stuck it in the stone? Seems a little harsh, but hey, right of succession and all.
September 30, 2015 at 5:34 am #308779TheWatcherParticipantA quick bit of speculation. Looks like the sword incinerates the unworthy — is this a feature of the sword itself, or of the enchantment placed on it by, presumably, Merlin, when he stuck it in the stone? Seems a little harsh, but hey, right of succession and all
I don’t think it’s harsh. From what I think, I think the sword and the dagger as one were supposed to be able to control the darkness and defeat it. But of course darkness and power are tempting to many. So with the sword in the stone, anyone who tried to take the sword and use it’s power for evil would instantly die and the only person who would have that massive power would be the person who didn’t want use it for evil.
Basically, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone.
With the sword killing all the unworthy folk who tried to use it’s power for evil, you’d have had no Dark Ones running around and causing trouble. Obviously this isn’t the case because the dagger is missing but still.
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Yeah that sounds about right. I’m starting to get the feeling that Merlin only tethered the Darkness to someone after he did an OOPS sort of thing.
My thought as of now sorta goes like this: Merlin made a deal with the Lady of the Lake (Nimue) that if she gave up the Special Sword, he’d use it and his magical abilities for Good (capital G, cause we’re in cosmic storytelling mode). And for awhile he did, but the power of the sword was overwhelming and soon the sword became tainted by Merlin’s own greed; the sword and Merlin fed off each other (cough Elric and Stormbringer cough). When the situation became BAD (again, capital B…and A and D) Nimue stepped in and lopped off the corrupted part of the sword (cause totes in love with Merlin) but the Darkness and Corruption was now out in the world and it brought forth Evil Things. So Merlin and Nimue decided to tether it to a being to make it easier to control (with the end of the dagger). But ….*mumble* things went wrong.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"September 30, 2015 at 7:55 pm #308830nevermoreParticipantYeah that sounds about right. I’m starting to get the feeling that Merlin only tethered the Darkness to someone after he did an OOPS sort of thing. My thought as of now sorta goes like this: Merlin made a deal with the Lady of the Lake (Nimue) that if she gave up the Special Sword, he’d use it and his magical abilities for Good (capital G, cause we’re in cosmic storytelling mode). And for awhile he did, but the power of the sword was overwhelming and soon the sword became tainted by Merlin’s own greed; the sword and Merlin fed off each other (cough Elric and Stormbringer cough). When the situation became BAD (again, capital B…and A and D) Nimue stepped in and lopped off the corrupted part of the sword (cause totes in love with Merlin) but the Darkness and Corruption was now out in the world and it brought forth Evil Things. So Merlin and Nimue decided to tether it to a being to make it easier to control (with the end of the dagger). But ….*mumble* things went wrong.
Sounds about right. And the you have the original DO going something like this:
I wonder, however, who that would be. I’m just crossing my fingers that if we do find out, they won’t turn out to be someone’s long lost relative. *twitch*
September 30, 2015 at 8:03 pm #308833Jiminy’s JournalParticipantSeptember 30, 2015 at 8:06 pm #308834RumplesGirlKeymasterHow did the dagger break off?
It was cleaved.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"September 30, 2015 at 11:27 pm #308849TheWatcherParticipantHow did the dagger break off?
It was cleaved.
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