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I’m questioning how much Rumpelstiltskin was truly in this episode. Let’s consider what we know: Rumpel can both change his appearance and see the future. He knows he needs Snow White in order to make an Evil Queen out of Regina, so she can cast the curse. He also needs Snow to give birth to Emma, who will break the curse, so he can be reunited with Baelfire. Snow was born during a snowstorm.
It had previously been speculated that Ingrid had caused this storm, but now it seems like a coincidence, see as she’s been Urn-ed. Of course, this is assuming she was Urn-ed the entire time between this episode and “Rocky Road.” Grand Pabbie used Rumpel’s favorite phrase word-for-word. Who’s to say he wasn’t (at the time) Rumpel in disguise? Could his price be that Gerda release Ingrid from the Urn (perhaps she’ll be banished to the same place Glinda was)? She still has yet to build an ice castle, like she mentioned to Elsa in “Rocky Road,” so this could support this theory.
Then she could have caused a snowstorm in her kingdom of ice-olation. A snowstorm that would reach Leopold’s kingdom just in time for Snow to be born during it (I had previously sent in a theory that pieces of Helga would bond with Snow during this storm, and Emma would be a reincarnate Helga, due to this). Obviously, Rumpel wanted to train Ingrid — is this the reason?
Obviously, she has to get into the Urn again, somehow. Perhaps she learned about the Mirror and that it had broken. In the book, Kai has a two pieces of the Mirror in him — one in his eye and one in his heart. Perhaps she kidnapped him (who could still be a servant of the royal family of Arendelle, like he is in Frozen (as opposed to being the King himself), albeit one close to Gerda. She saved him, trapped Ingrid back in the Urn, and put it in that cave. As she died, she wrote this entire “Tale of Two Sisters” (Ingrid and Helga) on a parchment, along with a drawing of the Urn, and put it in a bottle. Too bad Hans intercepted it, instead of Anna or Elsa.
[adrotate group="5"]Of course, this is assuming she was Urn-ed the entire time between this episode and “Rocky Road.” Grand Pabbie used Rumpel’s favorite phrase word-for-word. Who’s to say he wasn’t (at the time) Rumpel in disguise?
Interesting. But other people have used that phrase who haven’t met Rumple….like Jafar from WL. I think it’s a general theme that the writers like to play with as opposed to some sort of conspiracy.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Of course, this is assuming she was Urn-ed the entire time between this episode and “Rocky Road.” Grand Pabbie used Rumpel’s favorite phrase word-for-word. Who’s to say he wasn’t (at the time) Rumpel in disguise?
Interesting. But other people have used that phrase who haven’t met Rumple….like Jafar from WL. I think it’s a general theme that the writers like to play with as opposed to some sort of conspiracy.
Jafar and Maleficent were both villains (who both could have easily encountered Rumpel, especially Mal. Jafar has to have gotten to Wonderland, somehow.
Jafar and Maleficent were both villains (who both could have easily encountered Rumpel, especially Mal. Jafar has to have gotten to Wonderland, somehow.
I would love to have Jafar and Rumple met, so maybe you’re right!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I just want to know why he offered Ingrid the gloves and urn instead of the potion it looks like he’ll give Emma in next week’s episode.
Did he need this to happen to Arendelle’s royal family? What was his angle? Why turn her into the icy equivalent of Rogue by giving her those gloves, when he could have just taken her powers for good?
I hope Ingrid does’t find out about the potion, because, if I were in her shoes, the blame would quickly shift from her sister to Rumple, knowing he could have prevented the entire tragedy and enabled the three sisters to live a normal life.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"I just want to know why he offered Ingrid the gloves and urn instead of the potion it looks like he’ll give Emma in next week’s episode. Did he need this to happen to Arendelle’s royal family? What was his angle? Why turn her into the icy equivalent of Rogue by giving her those gloves, when he could have just taken her powers for good? I hope Ingrid does’t find out about the potion, because, if I were in her shoes, the blame would quickly shift from her sister to Rumple, knowing he could have prevented the entire tragedy and enabled the three sisters to live a normal life.
If Ingrid takes the potion, she can’t create the snowstorm, so he wouldn’t let her do that.
If Ingrid takes the potion, she can’t create the snowstorm, so he wouldn’t let her do that.
What snow storm??? I meant in the flashback. Why, when Ingrid and her sister went to him for help did he not give her the potion that would take her powers away for good?
Instead he gave her some gloves and an urn, when he could have prevented the tragedy from happening to the sisters, had he given her the potion instead. I’d be mad as all heck if I were Ingrid and found out about its existence, and that Rumple had it all along, but didn’t give it to her in the EF.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"If Ingrid takes the potion, she can’t create the snowstorm, so he wouldn’t let her do that.
What snow storm??? I meant in the flashback. Why, when Ingrid and her sister went to him for help did he not give her the potion that would take her powers away for good?
Instead he gave her some gloves and an urn, when he could have prevented the tragedy from happening to the sisters, had he given her the potion instead. I’d be mad as all heck if I were Ingrid and found out about its existence, and that Rumple had it all along, but didn’t give it to her in the EF.
I should clarify: going by my theory. Sorry about that.
What was his angle? Why turn her into the icy equivalent of Rogue by giving her those gloves, when he could have just taken her powers for good?
He probably didn’t want to eradicate her powers, he wanted them contained in that urn so he could be in possession of that magic one day because it was something he’d never seen before. He probably anticipated that she wouldn’t wear the gloves 24/7, so it was just a matter of time before she did something bad and got urned. Of course, we know he didn’t get the urn back after Ingrid was stuck in it, so I guess if that was his plan he hit a speedbump.
What was his angle? Why turn her into the icy equivalent of Rogue by giving her those gloves, when he could have just taken her powers for good?
He probably didn’t want to eradicate her powers, he wanted them contained in that urn so he could be in possession of that magic one day because it was something he’d never seen before. He probably anticipated that she wouldn’t wear the gloves 24/7, so it was just a matter of time before she did something bad and got urned. Of course, we know he didn’t get the urn back after Ingrid was stuck in it, so I guess if that was his plan he hit a speedbump.
I didn’t get the impression that Rumple had a hidden agenda there. In fact, he basically told Ingrid that she doesn’t really need him because she has true love through her sisters and that’s better than any magic. And then he gave her his trademark warning about magic and its price.
He did seem to be intrigued by her powers, though. Perhaps he just didn’t want such a “rare gift” to be destroyed?
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