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April 26, 2015 at 9:04 pm #302750
RumplesGirl
KeymasterThe Sorcerer said that Lily and Emma were fated to be intertwined, even before the egg-stealing.
What does this mean for both characters? Can they help each other? Or hinder each other? Can you really break fate?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 26, 2015 at 9:10 pm #302755Slurpeez
ParticipantWhat does this mean for both characters?
Could Emma and Lily be destined to be Savior and Anti-Savior?
Can they help each other? Or hinder each other? Can you really break fate?
Fate is one of those funny things. Regina said fate pushes us (e.g. Regina adopted the Savior’s son ), but our actions are our own. Whether one can break fate is interesting. For example, Rumple made it so that Emma would be the savior when he added a drop of TL potion on the curse parchment. Does that mean Emma was fated to be the Savior, no matter what, or did she have a choice in it? Could Emma have escaped her fate, even if she’d wanted?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
April 26, 2015 at 11:57 pm #302825Sapphire
ParticipantCould Emma and Lily be destined to be Savior and Anti-Savior?
Does that mean Emma was fated to be the Savior, no matter what…?
If so – especially if they were destined to be the Savior / Anti-Savior before they were even born – that makes the Charmings’ actions with Mal & baby Lily all the more horrible. They didn’t need to send Emma’s potential for darkness into Lily, because Emma was going to become the Savior anyways. (Besides the fact that they should’ve NEVER considered doing so in the first place.) It would be somewhat of a parallel to Emma not needing to actually kill Cruella because it was already determined that C. couldn’t take the life of another. (Side note, I 101% understand the argument that Emma was doing what she believed she needed to do in order to keep Henry safe.)
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April 27, 2015 at 12:05 am #302826RumplesGirl
KeymasterCould Emma and Lily be destined to be Savior and Anti-Savior?
did you notice the insane sparky magic that happened when they came into contact in battle. Hello cosmic and mythic overtones! Like the cosmos literally awoke when two forces came together to fight for the final battle. And Lily even calls herself the Anti Savior
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 27, 2015 at 3:03 pm #302905Keb
ParticipantNeal believed a lot in fate and destiny. And he, too, lived one of those weird coincidences (a few of them, actually) that would be beyond belief without fate’s intervention:
–getting rescued by his mother’s lover in Neverland?
–falling in love with the Savior in a land without magic, out of billions of non-magical people?…among other smaller things. I’m…kind of hoping they bring that up at some point.
Rumple’s waffled back and forth on the fate/choice thing. He spent centuries offering people a choice…and yet fearing the outcome of a single prophecy. He’s outright told people that they can control their fates, and yet he’s had the ability to see the future. Right now he’s on the “fate is in charge” wagon…with the caveat that he believes turning Emma dark and using the author can change what fate IS.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
April 27, 2015 at 5:46 pm #302918RumplesGirl
Keymaster…among other smaller things. I’m…kind of hoping they bring that up at some point.
You’re cute.
Here is my big question: if they are fated, then who “fated” them. Is the Sorcerer really our God Insert and thus controls Fate (if you believe God does such a thing) or is everyone and everything puppets on strings?
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