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–A lot of the music in this episode was rather obnoxious
Yeah.
–6 leaf magic clover. Are you kidding me? So how did Belle recognize Sean if she only saw Tom?! See. They just created another problem!
Belle might have a talent for seeing people’s inner selves. (It’s not a reliable talent.)
–Another POC bites the dust! *fantastic* #Sarcasm
Zelena lied. She wouldn’t throw away leverage, and she has ways of turning enemies into assets. I wouldn’t be surprised if Marian is 30 years older than Robin now, though.
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Bae’s death was still unavenged, and Rumple couldn’t do anything about it because Zelena had him cornered. Does karma only apply to Rumple and not Zelena? #SoDone
Well…hmmm…in Zelena’s defense…Rumple did try to kill her after she had begged him not to do so, not to mention she was a defenseless woman.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
The whole thing with Zelena, I just had this image of the writers’ room scrambling to figure out a way to get her back on the show somehow, even if it was completely convoluted and nonsensical, and this is what they managed to cobble together, and just URGH CAN YOU NOT.
I’d rant about many things, and agree with all the things other people have ranted about, but I’m currently in a state of apathy when it comes to this show where I can’t even bother getting as ranty as it deserves. *sigh*
But I really liked Rumple’s conversation with Robin outside the hospital about Nealfire and why he can’t take Neal’s things. BUT…BUT BUT BUT…send those things to HENRY. Maybe your Grandson would like to have them?!?!?!
I appreciated that they had Rumple talking about his son in this ep. But the way they concluded it with that conversation, just smacked of them wanting a way to wrap it up so they never have to mention Neal again IMO, because even his own father now doesn’t want to remember him. It feels like the writers washing their hands of not only Neal, but also Baelfire, and that’s…a word I can’t say on this forum.
It’s just something I can’t continue to do without personally feeling awful. Sorry, for the rant. Just a bit upset about the entirety of planet Earth, right now…
Please know that there are people who aren’t PoC themselves who are also totally over how this show has been treating PoC. It’s no fun when a show that used to bring you happiness, now makes you sad.
Well…hmmm…in Zelena’s defense…Rumple did try to kill her after she had begged him not to do so, not to mention she was a defenseless woman.
My question is did Rumple cause the portal to open when he released Zelena’s life force by trying to ‘kill’ her?
….was the only plot hole (the other episodes had numerous)
you think the clover was the only plot hole?
How about:
–why does Rumple need Robin to go to Oz in the first place?
–How did Will get to Oz
–How did Will get out of Oz
–How did that door get to Oz since it clearly poofed out of mid air. Did Rumple do that?
–How is Neal’s apartment around for the Hood’s to squat in?
–Why do handcuffs prevent Regina from doing magic? It wasn’t the Home Office Cuff–just normal handcuffs. She can’t wave her hands?
–Why is it Zelena in the mirror? Is that a magic mirror? does she have to avoid all mirrors now in case someone sees it really her?
–The hospital released Rumple even though he apparently has really thick magic blood that vanished within hours of diagnosis? Um. No.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wrote this as I watched the episode.
Liked:
Emma calling her parents out on what they did- I like the fact that Emma is rightly horrified at what her parents and is ignoring their excuses for trying to justify what they did. “We were manipulated” doesn’t matter, you still made the decision to use someone else’s child as a sacrifice for your own selfish wants.
Mixed:
The nod to the Dustin Hoffman movie Midnight Cowboy- As it cuts to Robin and “Marian” getting off the bus in Manhattan, you can hear someone shout “I’m walking here!”. It just seemed like an odd thing to stick in there for no reason.
The Rumple/Robin conversation outside the hospital- I liked what Rumple said about happiness and about how he had it but let it go etc and how Rumple basically told Robin to chose Regina. I dislike Robin’s part in the conversation. Firstly, yet again he’s not making an actual decision of his own, Rumple is all but having to spell it out for him to choose Regina. Secondly, Rumple has nowhere else to go and Robin’s answer is basically “Sorry that your homeless but never mind, here’s some of your dead son’s things that are cluttering up the place”. Where the hell is the compassion?
Regina acknowledges that Zelena MURDERED Neal- If Regina acknowledges that, then why the hell was she so gung ho for giving Zelena another chance in Kansas? Now that it’s Robin in the firing line, Regina’s not about to throw a welcome home party for Zelena. Regina is a massive hypocrite.
Disliked:
Regina giving Robin the keys to Neal’s apartment- Rumple has more right to be there than Robin does and the fact Robin point blankly refuses to leave when Rumple tells him to get out of his son’s apartment is wrong. It annoys me when the “heroes” throw their wait around like that. Regina had no right to give Neal’s apartment away to Robin like that, it wasn’t hers to give and she’s not even Neal’s next of kin or related.
The implication that Belle, by banishing Rumple, unwittingly sent him out to die- Belle banished Rumple because it meant everyone would be safe from him without having to control him or kill him. Belle would have never sent Rumple to die.
Robin saying he wouldn’t turn his back on a dying man and can’t just let him die because of his code yet was about to do that exactly two scenes beforehand- This is very hypocritical. Robin only has a code when it suits him. Especially when Robin then blackmails said dying man into giving up his dead son’s apartment so that Robin would give him the potion that enables him to live. Robin also lies to Will in flashback. Robin’s “code of honour” is laughable and not in a funny way.
Zelena being Marian- The idea itself was so clearly to fix OQ but the execution was so poor it fixes nothing. Regina was still going to murder the real Marian in the flashback. The OQ drama in 4A was a waste of time. Lets see how forgiving Regina is of Zelena this time around when she’s the actual one who’s suffered. Chances are she won’t be giving any more “heroes don’t kill” speeches.
Zelena taunting Rumple over Neal’s death- It just shows what a callous witch she is and I hope she gets what’s coming to her. It makes Regina’s actions in Kansas even more stupid and hypocritical. Zelena feels no remorse for what she did to Neal, she doesn’t want redemption. I am actually really annoyed with Regina now and there is nothing Regina can do now in regards to Zelena that won’t make Regina look bad. If she kills Zelena, Regina is just a massive hypocrite not that the shoe is on the other foot. If she lets Zelena live, then I am done with Regina. In one episode, the writers have effectively taken Regina’s character and crapped all over it.
Zelena- I want to punch her in the face. She is such a nasty piece of work, she should’ve been left dead.
Robin choosing Marian- Rumple all but said choose Regina and yet Robin still made the wrong decision. I would’ve been happy for him choosing Marian in 3B but now that she’s not Marian, it like “Is Robin going to flip flop yet again?” because no way are they going to leave Robin with Zelena. Come on Robin, man up and grow a pair of balls and actually make a decision.
Robin not contacting anyone in Storybrooke- He deleted Regina’s number but he still had Will’s, Charming’s and Emma’s number. He also had Granny’s Diner’s number and apparently “Marian” has a mobile number too despite not actually being around long enough in 4A to get one since she spent most of it Frozen.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSlurpeez wrote: Bae’s death was still unavenged, and Rumple couldn’t do anything about it because Zelena had him cornered. Does karma only apply to Rumple and not Zelena? #SoDone
Well…hmmm…in Zelena’s defense…Rumple did try to kill her after she had begged him not to do so, not to mention she was a defenseless woman.
It’s hard for me (and Rumple/Neal fans) to forgive Zelena for killing Neal. Calling her a “defenseless woman” after she tortured Rumple and murdered his son makes it sound like she’s somehow the victim when in fact, Rumple was her victim. And while I don’t condone “an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth” I can at least understand why Rumple was driven to try an avenge Neal’s death, which let’s face it, is the glaring white elephant in the room. Why does Zelena now have her second chance but Neal does not? Since she has been (mysteriously) resurrected, all Zelena has done so far is prove just how undeserving she is of another chance (unlike Neal who did deserve one) by killing Marian, impersonating her, and making Robin, Rumple, Roland and Regina’s lives a living hell. After all of the horrors Zelena committed she’s still unrepentant for bringing about the untimely death of Neal. That is why I said it seems unjust that karma only seems to apply to Rumple, rather than to Zelena (or the other villains for that matter).
In fact, Zelena gloating over Rumple’s dying body while he’s being kept alive on life-support and her squeezing his ventilator tube so that he can’t breath is about as low and irredeemable as a character can get. I hope Zelena meets her end soon, for good. I’m not excusing Rumple for “killing” Zelena and then lying about it to Belle, but Zelena isn’t any better than Rumple in my view, or anymore deserving of another shot at life. Unlike Regina, Zelena has demonstrated how unrepentant she is for anything. Rumple was her victim, not the other way around, and Rumple still was at her mercy in this episode when she forced him to make a deal (against his will). Now his hands are tied when it comes to Zelena because the dark one doesn’t break deals (except for that time with his son). In my book, Zelena doesn’t deserve a second chance, because she’s evidently not remorseful in any way, and I don’t wish her well.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’m going to get so much flak for this post…but it’s gotta be said.
Despite Zelena taking the blame for Neal’s death, I can’t give 100% of it to her because it wasn’t entirely her fault. Neal was warned by Belle and I think even Lumiere that there would be a price as well as repercussions for bringing back his father, and Neal was the one who said “to heck with it.”
Don’t get me wrong, Zelena was the one who set this all in motion, so she and even Lumiere do take much much much responsibility for Neal’s death, but I think the other half could go to Neal because like I said, he understood that there would be a steep price and he said to hell with it. All Zelena did was load the gun, Neal pulled the trigger.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I am actually really annoyed with Regina now and there is nothing Regina can do now in regards to Zelena that won’t make Regina look bad. If she kills Zelena, Regina is just a massive hypocrite not that the shoe is on the other foot. If she lets Zelena live, then I am done with Regina. In one episode, the writers have effectively taken Regina’s character and crapped all over it.
I’m not sure how Regina killing Zelena would make her a hypocrite. She gave her a second chance. Just like everyone else gave her. Its not her fault Rumple killed Zelena and released her life force to create mayhem and destruction. If she DIDN’T give Zelena a second chance, that would have been hypocritical.
I really don’t think Regina will kill Zelena by the way. We have already been shown there are fates worst than death.
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