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–Not showing us how Regina took Belle’s heart. They left the suggestion that Belle might have OFFERED her heart to torture Rumple with? What? No way. But now it’s going to be endlessly argued in the fandom because of that lack of clarity. Plus…I dunno, there’s something I wickedly enjoy about Regina’s heart taking…but they couldn’t allow Belle to have that extra second of screentime. And forcing Belle to forget everything…sigh. That means basically in Belle time NOTHING has happened for three episodes. Again.
Belle might be willing to work with Regina, but she’d never trust her old jailer with her heart. That was just one of the spares from Regina’s vault. It was all a ploy to protect Belle from Rumpel’s wrath.
No, that was definitely Belle’s heart that Regina took. Not letting our dear queen off on that kind of speculation.
Belle would NEVER hurt someone, especially Rumple, with the things that Regina had her say after the kiss. It’s not in her nature, and as Regina pointed out–it is in hers. Besides, Rumple can tell whether a page from the book is real–he’d definitely be able to tell if Belle’s heart were a fake.
So the big issues are:
1. Did Belle consent to having her heart removed? (I cannot believe she would; the press release said “steals”; Regina’s used Belle as a weapon against Rumple countless times; Belle would not willingly agree to lose her autonomy.) By not showing us how Regina took the heart and by having Belle ask if she could help, it’s left ambiguous–in Regina’s favor. Given their characters, I believe that Regina answered, “Yes, you can,” and then took the heart before Belle could protest. Once she had the heart, of course, she could command Belle at will.
2. How much of Belle’s meeting with Rumple was Belle’s self? We know (best from Aurora and Graham) that heart-controlled people often seem unaware of when they’re being controlled, even if it’s right in front of them (Killian was an exception, but I think Rumple wanted him to be aware), but that when they’re not directly controlled, they have free will and their own personalities. Based on what felt “in character,” I think that Regina ordered Belle to summon Rumple, and then let them chat until she got bored with it and stepped in (having learned some crucial data in the process and caught Rumple off guard). That means up to the kiss, Belle was operating independently. However, it’s again ambiguous and we won’t know unless A&E confirm.
3. Belle was ordered to forget everything, so will she know ANYTHING of what transpired? She probably will not be aware her heart is missing for some time; Regina will put it somewhere safe (I’m not sure if she can take it outside a land of magic?) from Rumple so she can use it for leverage until she no longer needs it.
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Some qualms I have with the episode:
1) Where is this empty platitude that “heroes don’t kill” even coming from? That’s a horrible message to send, because sometimes everyday heroes have to make life-and-death decisions. Men and women of the armed forces and police force have to make impossibly difficult decisions every day to protect society, and sometimes that includes taking out people whose intent is to kill innocent hostages. Emma killing Cruella in defense of her child is not a dark deed by any stretch of the imagination. As town sheriff, Emma upheld her legal duty to protect an innocent civilian (in this case her own son). Saving a child is not a villainous deed, but a heroic one. Emma had no way of knowing in advance that Cruella had been magically rendered incapable of killing. All Emma knew in the heat of the moment was the Cruella was pointing a gun at her child and threatening to kill Henry. How is protecting an underage hostage from an abductor who threatens to kill him a dark deed? Answer: it’s not a crime, but a heroic act.
2) The way Emma places her full trust in people who’ve actively harmed her in the past while not allowing for any grace towards her own parents is crazy. While Snow and Charming may be hypocrites of the highest order, at least they’ve never tried to kill their daughter, unlike Emma’s current new best friends, Regina and Hook. Since when are known killers somehow more trustworthy or deserving of a second chance than her parents, who’ve spent the rest of their lives trying to do good deeds as penance for their bad deed? I get that Emma thinks her parents are hypocrites (which they are), but how is hypocrisy worse than mass murder? Emma needs to check her own moral standards. The last time I checked, Regina ordered her guards to kill Baby Emma, yet somehow she’s less guilty than Emma’s parents? Emma shows contempt for her own parents while showing compassion on villains.
3) Cruella was certifiably insane and killed people from a young age. So it seems certain people are born with a greater potential for darkness than others. While I find this a refreshing change from the typical Once villain sob story, the writers continue to treat mental health issues without understanding or concern. What Cruella needed was professional psychiatric treatment, yet the writers don’t give a second thought about that. Instead, they write her off as a nutcase and then end her. I in no way blame the death of Cruella on Emma (who in my eyes acted heroically to save her child), but the writers were careless in their portrayal and treatment of an insane person. And now the writers are using this incident to send Emma over the edge of darkness herself, which I also think is a stupid consequence of saving a child.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Favorites:
Cruella to the Author: “Enjoy your upper hand while it is still on your wrist.” (Just sums up her crazy)
The fact that Cruella was a true true villain.
Cruella listening to her Disney theme song on the radio.
Regina bringing the Evil Queen to serve Rumple a little of his own medicine.
Trip to NYC!
The make-up departments work on Emma in the past few episodes. I’m waiting on Tumblr to produce a gif set on her decline.
Regina’s call back to Snow’s advice to her in 4.08. I loved the line about having a chance at grace.
Cruella playing Angry Birds
Dislikes
Henry! Dude. Learn to avoid the kidnapping. (Maybe his pseudo step dads can teach him a thing or two).
Emma raking her parents against the coals and their decision to double down on their assertion that they did the right thing. All of the Charmings need a time out to think about their decisions.
Rumple playing a very loose and fast game with Henry’s life and safety (again). Yes, Cruella can’t kill, but she can certainly cause harm.
Favourite:
Being right that the author and Cruella would be dancing to an instrumental version of Cruella de vil
Rumple dropping everything to go see Belle when she called him- He still loves her!
The author not being a bad person- I liked this twist.
Rumple revealing the real reason he’s back- So his heart won’t kill him but prevent him from loving which he likens to a type of death? Rumple just became a lot more sympathetic. I’m guessing that little patch of red left is for Belle which made the stunt Regina pulled despicable.
Hook- I liked that he tried to reason with Emma but didn’t try and tell her what to think.
Cruella playing angry birds- Loved this moment.
Mixed:
Emma still calling out Snowing on what they did- I like that Emma’s still angry at Snowing over the fact of what they did to an innocent baby instead of everything being treated as A-Okay. Also the fact that she called Regina out on holding a grudge for decades against Snow. However, as was pointed out by Hook and Regina, it’s hypocritical that Emma forgives them for their bad deeds but not her parents. Emma’s reasoning that Hook and Regina never claimed to be heroes when they did what they did is wrong. It also remains to be seen how forgiving everyone is of Rumple because he certainly doesn’t claim to be a hero.
Cruella- Cruella was my favourite of the QOD but this episode, I’m not sad she’s dead now. It was the skinning the dogs that did it if I’m honest.
Least Favourite:
Regina- Regina holds this category all by herself this episode for two reasons:
1. Stealing Belle’s heart and using her like she did- Belle didn’t give her heart willingly, you could tell because of the exact words “how can I help?” which was set up for Belle would “help” Regina by Regina stealing her heart and puppetting her. The conversation between RumBelle was going well and Rumple even admitted about soon not being able to love. That last red spot was clearly for Belle. So what did Regina do, but try and rub a lot of salt into the wound by having Belle say horrible things to Rumple all because Regina is prissy over Robin Hood. Regina’s actions could’ve destroyed that last red spot on Rumple’s heart at which point you would have an unloving, uncompassionate dark one on your hands with nothing holding him back from his grand master plan. Regina even SQUEEZED Belle’s heart (which I said she would to show she meant business), even just squeezing a heart cause great pain. The fact that Regina told Belle to forget everything and just run off home is further evidence that Belle did not consent. Regina’s actions were wrong, foolish and self-centred.
2. Basically saying that Emma should forgive Snowing because they said they were sorry- This says so much about Regina’s mind-set. Slaughter an entire village? Enslave a man as your sex-slave? Send numerous children to be eaten by a cannibal witch? Just say your sorry and they should forgive you. If they don’t, THEY’RE the ones at fault. Sorry does not wipe the slate clean.
Regina is almost as bad as Zelena.
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Keeper of FelixSo what did Regina do, but try and rub a lot of salt into the wound by having Belle say horrible things to Rumple all because Regina is prissy over Robin Hood.
Wait, so Rumple has Regina knocked out, handcuffed in her own vault, and threatens Regina with either going along with his plan to make Emma dark or killing Robin and its her being ‘prissy’?! Regina has every right in the world to be mad at Rumple.
Wait, so Rumple has Regina knocked out, handcuffed in her own vault, and threatens Regina with either going along with his plan to make Emma dark or killing Robin and its her being ‘prissy’?! Regina has every right in the world to be mad at Rumple.
Does Regina have every right to be mad at Rumple for blackmailing her with Robin? Absolutely! Does Regina have the right to use Belle as a pawn to take down Rumple? No, nobody has the right to harm another individual. Individual rights stop at the expense of harming an innocent person like Belle. But this issue will be hotly debated among Regina and Rumple fans for weeks and months to come, because the writers (deliberately is seems) cut the scene of Regina taking Belle’s heart. Until the writers confirm whether Belle offered up her heart willingly or not, there will be no clarity. I think the writers almost enjoy watching the fans bicker with one another, but then they refuse to take any responsibility themselves for their poor writing decisions.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
But this issue will be hotly debated among Regina and Rumple fans for weeks and months to come, because the writers (deliberately is seems) cut the scene of Regina taking Belle’s heart.
I’m not sure how any fan of Rumple’s has a case to make. I can understand people sympathizing with Belle, but she is a person totally outside of Rumple. I understand being a fan of both, but to get ‘Poor Rumple’ out of what happened to Belle is confusing to me. Rumple is no ones victim.
But this issue will be hotly debated among Regina and Rumple fans for weeks and months to come, because the writers (deliberately is seems) cut the scene of Regina taking Belle’s heart.
I’m not sure how any fan of Rumple’s has a case to make. I can understand people sympathizing with Belle, but she is a person totally outside of Rumple. I understand being a fan of both, but to get ‘Poor Rumple’ out of what happened to Belle is confusing to me. Rumple is no ones victim.
Rumple said his heart is blackening to the point where he will be unable to love anymore which he likens to a type of death. There is one red spot on his heart which is clearly his love for Belle. That one spot is probably the only thing that is preventing Rumple from burning Storybrooke to the ground with everyone in it all to see his goal accomplished. Regina then uses Belle in such a way that it could expunge that one spot. Rumple isn’t doing what he is for kicks, he’s doing it to try and prevent himself from becoming a true monster. Regina was using Belle to say those nasty things to Rumple. Would saying those things help save Robin? No. Would saying those things help defeat Zelena? No. That was Regina just being plain nasty because she was prissy over Robin. That’s how you get “poor Rumple” out of the situation.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAre there any Deep Space Nine fans here? There was that episode where Doctor Bashir’s friends found out that his parents had effectively cast him away as a child for being inadequate. The parents turned him into a purchased product, at the expense of an innocent life. Sure, they had good reasons for upgrading Jules, but he could never fully forgive them until they had not only acknowledged their actions but also their accountability. Snow and Charming are still in denial about the accountability part.
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Wait, so Rumple has Regina knocked out, handcuffed in her own vault, and threatens Regina with either going along with his plan to make Emma dark or killing Robin and its her being ‘prissy’?! Regina has every right in the world to be mad at Rumple.
Does Regina have every right to be mad at Rumple for blackmailing her with Robin? Absolutely! Does Regina have the right to use Belle as a pawn to take down Rumple? No, nobody has the right to harm another individual. Individual rights stop at the expense of harming an innocent person like Belle. But this issue will be hotly debated among Regina and Rumple fans for weeks and months to come, because the writers (deliberately is seems) cut the scene of Regina taking Belle’s heart. Until the writers confirm whether Belle offered up her heart willingly or not, there will be no clarity. I think the writers almost enjoy watching the fans bicker with one another, but then they refuse to take any responsibility themselves for their poor writing decisions.
The point is…we saw Belle agree to help Regina! So it is wrong to assume that Regina just reached out and took Belle’s heart, I don’t care what the Press Release said because we weren’t shown the context.
To say Regina stole Belle’s heart despite it not being shown could be the same as saying Rumple burned an entire kingdom down….we weren’t shown it but based off his background, we could just say that’s what happened.
And @PriceofMagic, to think that what Regina did was despicable….Rumple knocked her unconscious, threatened her family, her soul mate and his son, held her captive, conspiring with her sister in order to try to black mail Regina into doing his dirty work again, and all she did was try to ensure that he behaved while she was gone, because lord knows NO ONE is safe from Rumple who would kill anyone to complete his work, and even played around with his grandson’s life to get the Author to agree….
And so Regina can’t even try to get Emma to forgive her parents without looking like the bad guy…you know what…
That is completely wrong, and you know what…I just can’t!
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