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When coming to the forums … I always love this thread . . . What were your FAVORITE AND LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS from this episode 5 x 15 THE BROTHERS JONES …
INCLUDE ANY favorite dialogue too.
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[adrotate group="5"]I did not realize that ONCE was having an episode this Sunday as I thought they would have THE TEN COMMANDMENTS per their usual …. GdS coming to stay the night … we will watch ONCE together.
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.While this was the weakest episode of the arc to date, for me, there were some good bits and it’s still loads better than the last bit of S5A. I was never going to like this episode to begin with and I did have a lot of eye-rolling about some hero-izing that was going on, so that’s in my reactions (as a heads up).
LIKED
–Someone wanna get me Cruella’s boots, please?
–“He kissed you?” “Thought he was you.” (S5B version of “we were cursed!”)
–“Even for the Underworld, it is dead in here.” (Bless you, Hades)
–“What would you like to try first? The champagne or me?” (Family show! 8pm!)
–Regina gets that Emma is too good for Hook. (total SQ bait, but I’m good with it)
–“Don’t argue with your mother. Or your mother”
–Cruella has handcuffs to spice it up. Am I horrified or amused?
–Hades blowing Capt Silver off a cliff. That was amazing. More of that ridiculous camp please.
–Okay, okay. Everyone was right; Heaven isn’t Olympus. It’s individualized. Thank the Lord.
–Henry and Grandpa David moments are precious and perfect and we need more of this stuff. This is the stuff that matters on this show. THIS. Right here. This human connection and family moment of love and acceptance.
MIXED
–Liam’s judgement of Emma. I agree that Emma has become a selfish, self centered woman who apparently puts her love life ahead of everything and everyone. But Hook isn’t some saint who resisted darkness his whole life, like Liam said. He embraced it. Headfirst. Including senseless murder and collecting trinkets from his victims. So do souls in the UW know things or don’t they? How can Liam not know what’s going on with Hook in the 100+ years? We need *some* consistency here please.
–Hades is in the book? Since when? I mean, yes, yes, it makes sense to some extent. But there is something to be said about characters appearing out of the blue in the book just because it’s their arc and if it’s “as above, so below” then shouldn’t Hades be in the Upperworld book?
–Hades is a god. His powers are limited in Overworld. What mythology books are these people reading?! But, it’s nice to know that Hades does interact with people in Overworld; makes for some interesting possibilities.
–Hook admitting–freely!–that he is a horrible villain who did terrible no good things! Good! Yes! I like that! Self-awareness is good! Too bad it all comes to naught and Emma can’t open her eyes to see all the thousands of red flags about her boyfriend. Seriously. How many times does it take, Emma? He says he deserves punishment and that he shouldn’t go back to SB. Stop trying to absolve and white wash him and what he did.
DISLIKED
–The rules down in the Underworld are flexible because of course they are.
–I thought Hook never drank or gambled until Liam died. Cause it wasn’t part of Good Form.
–“The Eye of the Storm” is a real tangible thing. In fact it’s the MacGuffin of the week, folks!
–Does Merlin not have unfinished business? I find that hard to believe.
–OMG turn off the hair! It ruins everything!!!
–Liam thinks Hook is a true hero in a way he never was. Okay, for the cheap seats in the back, Hook killed many people and collected trinkets to memorialize those kills. He also tried to send a 13 yr old (of his girlfriend!!!!) to Hell. Stop this nonsense. Let him *pay* for his crimes. It’s unfair to every other villain on this show who is paying for their crimes.
–That’s the worst ever hiding place for a glowing pen.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"This episode was….interesting.
Rating: 7/10
Liked:
Of course Cruella… (Handcuffs! You go girl!!!)
Hades gets more amusing every week….
That grandfather/grandson talk David had with Henry was so sweet!
Mixed:
That the afterlife is individualized…this maybe a problem when you think long term wise if you really think about it…say for instance that Emma’s happy ending is with her family, but Hook’s happy ending is on the seas with his brother…so these apparent “true loves” will just be separated in different realms for all of eternity? Or is all of the afterlife in one big world that has everything.
Dislike:
One or two other things that I don’t really feel like writing about….not up for long reviews tonight.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
This episode was….interesting.
Rating: 7/10
Liked:
Of course Cruella… (Handcuffs! You go girl!!!)
Hades gets more amusing every week….
That grandfather/grandson talk David had with Henry was so sweet!
Mixed:
That the afterlife is individualized…this maybe a problem when you think long term wise if you really think about it…say for instance that Emma’s happy ending is with her family, but Hook’s happy ending is on the seas with his brother…so these apparent “true loves” will just be separated in different realms for all of eternity? Or is all of the afterlife in one big world that has everything.
I like the idea of the afterlife being individualized to the person. Why should people of other cultures be forced into the GREEK/ EUROPEAN idea of the afterlife? Do people of Asian, Native American, Indian beliefs not have their own versions of the after life? Henry SR was of European extraction but I am also assuming of GERMAN / GRIMM religious beliefs … he looked like he went into the light / up to Heaven. Hercules went to Olympus … A sailor would want to be at sea. AS for TRUE LOVE pairing I think their Heaven will be a place that is special to them if they are destine to be together…. I think it will be determined by how they live their lives.
Dislike:
One or two other things that I don’t really feel like writing about….not up for long reviews tonight.
I like the idea of the afterlife being individualized to the person. Why should people of other cultures be forced into the GREEK/ EUROPEAN idea of the afterlife? Do people of Asian, Native American, Indian beliefs not have their own versions of the after life? Henry SR was of European extraction but I am also assuming of GERMAN / GRIMM religious beliefs … he looked like he went into the light / up to Heaven. Hercules went to Olympus … A sailor would want to be at sea. AS for TRUE LOVE pairing I think their Heaven will be a place that is special to them if they are destine to be together…. I think it will be determined by how they live their lives.
@Nonnie It’s perfect for every culture to have their own personal afterlife happy ending, which is why I suggested that the afterlife is one huge, gigantic realm that has everything for everybody."If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
This episode felt like filler and it really shouldn’t have…but I’m stuck on the baby-contract cliffhanger and that storyline was entirely dropped for this episode.
Liked:
–I laughed so hard at Snowing’s discussion about James.
–Equally hard when Cruella revealed she’d known it was David the whole time. Brilliantly done. I love Cruella impossibly in this incarnation (as a villain, darlings…)
–Henry’s frustration coming out. And his honesty.
–Grandpa Charming is second only to anything involving Rumple/Belle in my list of favorite things about Once.
–Liam getting to rescue almost everyone that he once doomed…and the shift to the water was pretty cool. That part was rather satisfying.
–An explanation for how the Jones brothers would have risen so quickly in the ranks…you pay enough to the right people, and bam, you’re an officer.
–The storybook being important again. I swear I teared up when they pulled it out of the box.
–The sorcerer’s mansion being a reliquary for light magic in the Underworld. It just fit nicely. (Of course, Merlin never got to USE said mansion, so…its existence is still strange.)
–Hades really seems to be enjoying his role.
–Hades being the pre-Rumple dealmaker.Disliked:
–No Belle.
–No Rumple.
–Not so sure about Zelena + Hades…but more Oz makes me happy, so this is a tossup.
–Hades is so worried about losing souls but willing to just toss the evil captain into the flames?
–Liam’s dark side didn’t seem as necessary as it should have been…I think the stakes just weren’t high enough. I dunno, it just didn’t work for me.
–The heroes, who left infants upstairs, still seem very unconcerned about getting back to their children.
–If moving on is awesome for Liam and Herc and all the rest…why is it so important that Hook have more chances to mess up? Maybe moving on would actually be better for him. I actually love the character but I’m not buying the essentiality of risking everyone else’s lives to save Emma’s boyfriend, when it wasn’t necessary for her last three, one of whom was her son’s father and one of whom she was considering marrying.
–The pacing of this episode…was not as good as some. I dunno. I was easily distracted during it, and that doesn’t happen usually.
–You know what was really missing? Pan. Having him present would have helped link this back to previous events and made it possibly more compelling. Pan’s the one character besides Hook who knew Liam that we also know.
–I was also hoping that we’d address Papa Jones and/or Liam II, and they were completely ignored. I suspect it’s unlikely we’ll get to hear more now that Liam’s in a better place, and that makes me sad.
–Also, Liam must know that Killian killed their papa. They know everything down there. Yet he still hero-worships his baby brother…knowing the evil things he’s done.
–And we didn’t get to see Milah & Liam meet, which I would also have liked to see. I get that guest stars are money and complex side stories don’t always serve the plot…but more missed opportunities.Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
This was the weekest episode in 5B.
While I’m glad that Emma was blamed for being selfish. I wish it came from other characters and I don’t feel like it was portrayed as something serious that she needs to learn from, basically it was used as a “clue” that something is wrong with Liam and not as observing some kind of flaw with Emma. By the end of the episode, Emma didn’t learn anything or didn’t grow as a character.
In addition, while I agree that Emma has become selfish, I still think that she is too good for a murdering jerk who still keeps things from his victims. I really don’t get why they need to portray Hook as a martyr, he is not a martyr, he has done horrible despicable things, stop whitewash him. It’s as if they are insecure about what the viewers think about him so they have to shove what a great guy he is down our throat.
Moreover, the excuse of Hook doing all those horrible things because Emma pissed him off is not acceptable. This is yet again a depiction of the battered wife syndrom.
"All your questions are pointless"
Also, Liam must know that Killian killed their papa. They know everything down there. Yet he still hero-worships his baby brother…knowing the evil things he’s done.
Well this doesn’t make sense in general not just with PapaJones. Liam seems to know everything that went down with Emma and Hook in 5A but he doesn’t know all about Hook’s various murders and other misdeeds?
basically it was used as a “clue” that something is wrong with Liam and not as observing some kind of flaw with Emma. By the end of the episode, Emma didn’t learn anything or didn’t grow as a character.
That!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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