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I have so very many very strong dislikes for this episode, that so many of you have already articulated, so I won’t expend the energy to type up a repetition of it all.
Robin had balls re: Regina giving the baby to Zelena.
I was enjoying Robin more than ever because he was still rightfully upset by how Regina had made him hand his baby over. Right up until he conceded that they should give Zelena a chance. Like, dude, no, DO NOT FEEL OBLIGATED TO GIVE YOUR RAPIST A CHANCE THAT QUICKLY.
Urgh, they just wasted the character of Robin Hood so completely, it’s infuriating.
Maurice: Pretty sure TLK wouldn’t work anyway because talk about selfish. He isn’t even going to try and save his daughter and grandchild from a burning room? Why,because he doesn’t like her husband?
Maurice is far from being father of year, but in his defence does he even know the mechanics of the burning red room? I’m so DONE with Rumple these days that honestly I can’t really blame Maurice for wanting to keep Belle away from him at any cost. And if he’s under the impression that she’s just peacefully sleeping, then I can understand why he’d wanna leave her that way until such a time that Rumple is far, far away.
[adrotate group="5"]but in his defence does he even know the mechanics of the burning red room? I
Probably not. Also, the do the writers even remember the mechanics of the burning red room???
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"AS TO ROBINS DEATH….
even though A&E will never admit it I think ROBIN / Sean Maguire asked to be written off the show. Actors get paid by the episodes they are actually in …. it must be so frustrating to be available but not have a story line… For the past season and longer there was not story for ROBIN other then to hide in the woods…. He also would not be able to do other work on other shows and movies. No fun being far from home either even if his family is with him in Canada.I am sure that was what happened Michael Raymond-James. After the fan base went nuts over HOOK ( NO disrespect to Colin O’Donoghue ) they changed how the show was going…. Hook became the big love interest. No one will ever convince me that Neal was not suppose to reconnect with Emma. I think MRJ saw how the show was going and asked to be let go or did not renew his contract.
A&E can sugar coat their statements all they want but I think the fan base can see through their statements. They are unable to write for the characters we care about and keep giving us gone again characters we do not have any connection to…. it is a wonder if any of the main characters stay.
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.Oh boy I did see this negativity coming…so not surprised. I guess I probably liked the episode better than everyone else, but it certainly had it’s flaws.
7/10
Liked:
– Arthur’s story coming back full circle. He didn’t just come back, and get killed. We then saw him place a vital role in the UW, and now lead a “broken kingdom” of his own. I thought it was fitting and a little redemptive for the character.
– Everything Cruella
– The storybook. I liked that the book appeared to Emma when she needed it most. It’s consistent.
– The sister bonding. Listen, I know some on here really thought it should be Emma who defeated Hades. However, I wanted it to be Zelena the whole time. They set it up to be her and they delivered. She had to choose between her sister and her new true love. It was heart-breaking, but Lana and Rebecca really ate this scene up. And this was a huge moment for those sisters. And it was a big test for Zelena. Those two will be bonded in a away no one can understand now.
– Robin’s death. Sorry guys. Never liked the guy. He was never developed well. And we knew this was coming. Keb was saying how true love is sacrifice and apparently he was right. Now I get that Robin has two kids, and he should be more careful here, but he has always been very consistent with sacrificing himself for others. He knew if he was killed, Regina would be there for Roland and Robin jr. And if anything, Regina can protect them better than he can. I was annoyed that Regina didn’t try any magic before Hades unleashed the crystal on Robin, but once he did, I was fine with everything else.
– The funeral scene was done very well. The arrows were a nice touch. The scene with Emma and Snow was great. And poor Roland :(.
– The scene with Emma and Charming was also great, him telling her to actually be a person and to grieve. But also Emma’s response was great because as others have pointed out on here, she is the Savior, so she needs to protect storybrooke.
– I continue to love Jmo’s acting. Her putting a flask on Hook’s grave……let’s just say the feels, she does a good job.
– Evil Rumple. Yesss!!!!! I’m sorry but unless Belle can accept Rumple being dark and then turn darkish herself, I cannot ship Rumbelle. Robert Carlyle is too good at being a villain. I say this all the time, but for me, there is just no way he can come back from some of these actions and phrases. It feels he’s too far gone again to make him a hero. But I’ve said that before, and have been wrong. But at this point, just let Rumple flash his cane around and try and take as much power he can so he can rule everyone. No more back and forth. Let’s just stay right here so that when we are down the final stretch, it’s him vs Emma.
– I think if we are going to talk about when Hook is a jerk, we need to talk about when he is not. He saved Arthur. And helped kill Hades. He had many lines in this episode that showed how far he has come. Let’s not just ignore them.
Mixed:
– Hook’s resurrection….Ok so if anyone can bring back the dead, it should be a God, and I guess it should be Zeus. That I don’t have an issue with. But Zeus’ reasoning I do. Hook didn’t really kill Hades. Zelena did. Sure, they wouldn’t have even known the crystal could do that without Hook, but still. This was a stretch. I think I may have been more inclined to buy this if we saw how awful Hades was in a flashback, and how horrible his relationship was with Zeus. Then I could understand why Zeus would pardon Hook here. But we didn’t get that so it seems a little silly.
– Naming the baby Robin. Saw it coming a mile away. It’s fitting but predictable.
– Moe not waking Belle. He’s such a jerk, and yet it’s consistent. he doesn’t like Rumple and he feels he’s Belle’s weakness. So I get why he may want to play the waiting game until Rumple is gone somehow, and then wake Belle. It’s still crappy, but again, consistent with his character. And I think based on Rumple’s recent actions with taking the crystal, I don’t see Belle getting woken up this season. Which I’m fine with. She’s his only moral compass right now, so her gone means evil Rumple and that’s just too delicious to pass up.
– The souls reaching up and grabbing people. Ok I get it, with Hades not there, things are getting cray cray. And the CGI was fine. Idk, I just found all of it quite whatever.
Disliked:
– No Hades flashback. Kind of shocked by this honestly.
– Why on Earth would Hades fix a broken crystal that can “end” people when he can just snap people’s necks no problem. Also, that’s the one thing that can kill a God!!!! You idiot.
– No magic fighting. There were no showdowns. Just a stab and flick of a magic crystal. How does Regina not use any magic there? She just runs and shoves him…..sigh.
Again, I think I liked this more than most, but still it had issues. I’m interested in seeing what happens with Regina now, because yeah Robin……very much dead and not coming back…unless Zeus has that power since that crystal is likely his. If anyone can do it, it’s Zeus. But anyway, this half season did an unbelievable job with Zelena and Regina’s relationship so I’m glad it was Zelena who killed Hades. However, they need to showcase Emma now. Hook is back so that’s done. Let’s have her be the Savior again. Thanks.
Sure, they wouldn’t have even known the crystal could do that without Hook, but still.
Actually they did. Hades himself told Zelena in the beginning of the episode what the crystal did. They didn’t need the pages at all.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Actually they did. Hades himself told Zelena in the beginning of the episode what the crystal did. They didn’t need the pages at all.
Yeah you are right. For me, it was more about Hook’s intentions. It’s not his fault that Hades blabbed it to Zelena. And it’s not his fault that Emma somehow couldn’t get inside to help everyone. But he did what he could from where he was. And I guess that was enough for Zeus? But again, a flashback to show Zeus and Hades would have helped a lot.
The “heroes” were gone for weeks?
I’m surprised I liked the episode more than I thought I would.
Liked
Robin’s funeral- The way they did it was good and was the strongest point of the episode. Lana Parilla acted her socks off. Whilst Regina held a dignified silence, you could see all the emotions going through her head. If A&E had the guts, they could’ve set a whole episode around Robin’s funeral, focussed on Regina (since this was her big “second chance at love” that had just got murdered) and it would’ve probably been one of the highlights of the season. The character focussed episodes of the early seasons were always the best and the show focussing too much on plot instead of characters is killing the show.
Zades, Zelena, Hades- Zades was one of the healthiest relationships of the season and it’s a shame it’s now a pile of ash. Hades was one of the best characters of season 5. It’s a shame he died but it shows just how unlikeable the “heroes” have become when your rooting for the villain to win. Also Zelena has become one of the more likeable characters. Considering how much she was hated in 3B, it shows just how unlikeable the “heroes” have come.
Arthur/Hook broship- Love how the blind witch calls it a “bromance”.
Cruella- Always a good laugh and it was funny how she took a fancy to Arthur. Since Arthur is aiming to be king of the underworld, or whatever his plan is to fix it, you can bet Cruella would audition for the position of Queen.
Arthur- I liked Arthur this episode. It seems the show doesn’t know whether to consider Arthur a villain like in 5A or a good man that was just misguided in his quest which seems to be what they were going for this episode.
Hook- I think Hook always works better when used as half of a broship instead of a romantic ship. When Hook partners up with another male, you can see the potential for the character. Unfortunately the writers tend to lump him with Emma and make that his sole storyline which is a disservice to the character. Hook could be so much more than he is but he is regularly forced into a role that doesn’t suit him. Hook is not a “doe eyed lover/knight in shining armour” type of character, he’s a “rogue/jerk with a heart of gold” type of character who may do the right thing in the end but only out of a sense of duty rather than an actual desire to go above and beyond. Unfortunately the writers try and force him into the former role and it just doesn’t suit his character.
Snowing- Snowing actually felt a little like their old selves and they actually talked sense to Emma.
Rumple- As much as the writers clearly want to portray Rumple as a villain, he is still one of the most likeable aspects of the show. You want him to succeed in his dastardly plans not just because the “heroes” are so unlikeable but because Robert Carlyle is just that good.
Mixed
OutlawQueen tiff- It was good to see Robin show some backbone, it’s a shame he folded two minutes later then died. Those sorts of arguments is what OQ needed as it went along instead of just making Robin Regina’s purse holder.
Disliked
Moe’s kiss would never have worked because if, as Regina said “true love is sacrifice”, then Moe wasn’t willing to sacrifice his hatred of Rumple to save Belle. Moe imposed a condition to whether or not he tried to wake Belle up instead of doing it anyway for Belle’s benefit.
Zeus- Zeus was pointless. His only purpose was as a plot device to get Hook from the Underworld to Storybrooke.
Emma- Emma is without doubt the most unlikeable character of the show for me at this point. Yes there have been irritating and annoying characters (Bo Peep, Whale’s dad, but they were one offs), but Emma continues to get worse with each passing episode. The worst offences for her this episode were:
1. Wanting to take on Hades without a plan- Season 1 and 2 Emma would never have done that. She would have put aside her feelings to come up with a plan to actually achieve her goal without putting anyone at risk. You could argue that Emma subconsciously wanted to be killed to end back up with Hook but that would be selfish as she would be just throwing aside her family including her son in favour of a man.
2. Crying at Hook’s grave- This one annoys me in that she “grieves” for Hook who she’s only know a short while in the grand scheme of things, yet when Neal died, the man she confessed she’d always loved, she didn’t batter an eyelid.
3. Making out with Hook at Robin’s funeral- This was just disrespectful. Robin’s coffin was right there! Regina had just lost a person she loved yet Emma thought it perfectly acceptable to rub it in by making out with Hook. I’m surprised she didn’t do it on the coffin just to make a real point of it.
Overall, I think the main problem of the show is CaptainSwan. They’re trying to force Hook into a role that doesn’t suit him whilst at the same time butchering Emma’s character to make CS work.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIs there any reason, out of story, that RH needed to die with no afterlife for him? I understand it happening to Hades, but they could have killed RH by a blast of magic or pushing him out the window or something that gives the character final rest and peace for eternity, not….nothingness.
And the olmypian crystal destroying the soul isn’t really needed either. RH dies, goes to afterlife, Hades dies, goes to afterlife wherein he is punished by his brothers and sisters for the rest of eternity. Like, just why?
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICIs there any reason, out of story, that RH needed to die with no afterlife for him? I understand it happening to Hades, but they could have killed RH by a blast of magic or pushing him out the window or something that gives the character final rest and peace for eternity, not….nothingness. And the olmypian crystal destroying the soul isn’t really needed either. RH dies, goes to afterlife, Hades dies, goes to afterlife wherein he is punished by his brothers and sisters for the rest of eternity. Like, just why?
Because Adam and Eddy are vindictive man-beasts with no….well….
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Is there any reason, out of story, that RH needed to die with no afterlife for him? I understand it happening to Hades, but they could have killed RH by a blast of magic or pushing him out the window or something that gives the character final rest and peace for eternity, not….nothingness.
I suspect it’s because A and E don’t ever want to revisit Robin or be constantly plagued about seeing him again. They get that all the time with Nealfire. This way, with Robin, he’s literally obliterated and there’s no chance of going to the Underworld to get him, no magical handwave to bring him back. He’s gone for good.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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