FAVORITE AND LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS from this FINALE : OPERATION MONGOOSE

[obisgirl]

Liked:

Seeing the famous diner we’ve always heard about. The one where all the fairytale characters who leave Storybrooke get sent. That poor waitress, as soon as she met Henry and he started spewing fairytale stuff at her, she was like, “We have another one.” Code whatever color they use to call the police.

I liked seeing Henry have a bigger role this time around.

Seeing Killian “meet” Emma for the first time and him fall in love with her at first sight.

Emma teaching Killian how to use a sword.

Seeing Snow being the Evil Queen. Ginny rocked that red outfit, even the spiky hair and omg, her ruthlessness, everything about her performance was just really fun to watch. I loved when she gathered the dwarves and Granny and asked, who’s fault it was that Regina got away. If you’ve ever played the role playing game ‘Aye, Dark Overlord!’ What Grumpy and the dwarves were doing, blaming each other just to save themselves, that’s basically the premise of ‘Aye, Dark Overlord!’

Regina and Robin being bandit rivals was interesting.

Emma admitting twice that she loves Killian. Everything about CS’s relationship has been a slow burn, but an ‘I love you’ was seriously a long time coming.

We’re finally going to Camelot. It’s no longer just a random plot device, we’re actually going to go there.

Disliked:

Rumple being handed his white heart without having earned it. I’ll probably write a lengthier rant about this later, but most other villains on this show had to earn their redemption. It’s a much longer process but it isn’t just given to them and Rumple just given his goodness back without having truly earned it, makes me sick. Because that’s not how it is. My only hope going forward is after he wakes up from this coma, he tries to genuinely earn what was given to him and atone for all the crap he’s done.

All the Rumbelle stuff, in general. AU and in Storybrooke. How come Belle seriously still love Rumple and give him a second chance after all the stuff he’s done this season? We had a brief moment where she started to rip into them and I truly enjoyed that moment but it was interrupted by Rumple dying. Rumple does not deserve a happy ending, he doesn’t deserve Belle.

Rumple in the AU. For someone who’s lived 300 years, he really has no idea what it means to be a hero. Or maybe Isaac, doesn’t. I don’t know. I did however think it was very pointless for Rumple to go around in a horse wearing so much armor when he didn’t even need it because guess what? He has light magic. Armor isn’t necessary. So ridiculous.

[TheWatcher]

Honestly, I loved the finale but it was ehh. It wasn’t what I thought it would be and I expected a lot more. But I still loved it.

Liked:
– Henry. All things Henry!!!!!!!
– Evil Queen Snow White. She was ruthless and fabulous! Although, I must say she was significantly more evil than regina was as the queen. Or maybe that’s just me. Either way, I loved it!
– The scene with Isaac at the book signing! #NoSpoilers lol!!!!!!!
– Believe it or not, I actually liked Hook this episode. In the AU. He was much…more. But then we got back to reality.
– The dark…goo…thing. It looked amazing! Plus I love how we FINALLY got to hear the origin of the dark one.
– The reason why Maleficent doesn’t know her baby daddy. I am sorry, but that is just hilarious.
– Dark Granny. I would have loved to see what the story was on that. Im guessing shes an evil werewolf who ate her granddaughter 😛

MIXED:
– Apprentice dying. Idk why this effects me so. I barely gave him a second thought but now that he is dead…I feel kind of iffy about him.
– Rumpel in coma. Idk how I feel about it.

DISLIKED:
– No, Henry. Hook did not teach you to sail. Neal did. Hook taught you the thing with the sextant. Whatever that was.
– The villains didn’t get happy endings. The heroes just became evil, and not even all of them. This is NOT what they were saying would happen! They said villains would WIN not Villains would become heroes!
– Queens of Darkness were absent from the finale. I would have loved to see them during this AU.
– WE DIDNT SEE THE SORCERER! THEY SAID WE WOULD SEE THE SORCERER!!!! WHY MUST THEY TOY WITH ME!!!!!???
– MERLIN is the sorcerer. Nothing against the wizard himself, but I felt it was SO predictable that it would be Merlin and thus hoped A&E woul go a different route. But nope. Merlin is our sorcerer. I accept it and im still excited for it, but its not what I would have preferred.
– Emma back in reality. But whats new.

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[PriceofMagic]

Rumple being handed his white heart without having earned it. I’ll probably write a lengthier rant about this later, but most other villains on this show had to earn their redemption. It’s a much longer process but it isn’t just given to them and Rumple just given his goodness back without having truly earned it, makes me sick. Because that’s not how it is.

I disagree. I think Regina and Hook have had it quite easy in their redemption arcs and they’ve not suffered or been held accountable for their past misdeeds especially Regina, she was willing to use Belle yet again as a pawn against Rumple with no regard for Belle’s well-being. I think it would be unfair for the other characters to hold a grudge against Rumple when they were all too happy to give Regina a second chance after everything she has done. Also, now that it appears that the darkness is somewhat sentient, it could be argued over how much Rumple’s actions were his own and how much was the darkness’ influence? Also Rumple’s actions, whilst certainly morally grey, were also trying to prevent an even worse scenario from occurring: the dark one unleashed without Rumple’s humanity holding it back.

All the Rumbelle stuff, in general. AU and in Storybrooke. How come Belle seriously still love Rumple and give him a second chance after all the stuff he’s done this season? We had a brief moment where she started to rip into them and I truly enjoyed that moment but it was interrupted by Rumple dying. Rumple does not deserve a happy ending, he doesn’t deserve Belle.

The same case could be argued for OutlawQueen or CaptainSwan. Why should Regina and Hook get their loved ones but Rumple shouldn’t? Robin is completely unbothered by Regina’s evil queen past, ridiculously unbothered as if it hasn’t even registered with him, there’s a difference between acknowledging that Regina is not the person she used to be and completely ignoring it. Hook has done some dastardly things but doesn’t get called out on it. Why is Rumple undeserving yet Regina and Hook get to skip happily off in to the sunset for their happy endings?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[WickedRegal]

obisgirl wrote:

Rumple being handed his white heart without having earned it. I’ll probably write a lengthier rant about this later, but most other villains on this show had to earn their redemption. It’s a much longer process but it isn’t just given to them and Rumple just given his goodness back without having truly earned it, makes me sick. Because that’s not how it is.

I disagree. I think Regina and Hook have had it quite easy in their redemption arcs and they’ve not suffered or been held accountable for their past misdeeds especially Regina, she was willing to use Belle yet again as a pawn against Rumple with no regard for Belle’s well-being. I think it would be unfair for the other characters to hold a grudge against Rumple when they were all too happy to give Regina a second chance after everything she has done. Also, now that it appears that the darkness is somewhat sentient, it could be argued over how much Rumple’s actions were his own and how much was the darkness’ influence? Also Rumple’s actions, whilst certainly morally grey, were also trying to prevent an even worse scenario from occurring: the dark one unleashed without Rumple’s humanity holding it back.

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I cant speak on Hook’s behalf, but Regina…yeah…even the Author/The Show has acknowledged that out of every other character…she has gotten screwed over the most, so she has suffered quite dearly for her past sins. Even before she was the Evil Queen, luck was never on Regina’s side.

And given what we’ve seen….just as you wish to say we don’t know what was Rumple’s will or the darkness will, we really don’t know what was Regina’s will or the Author’s manipulation. The freedom of will while concerning the past is up in the air because who knows how much the Author undid and rewrote.

As for the whole Belle situation….no matter what, we were shown Belle extending her hand to help, she probably should have put some stipulations in it. And besides….Rumple wasn’t that concerned with Robin Hood or Roland’s well being when he held their lives over Regina head, so she was forced into finding a way to stop Rumple before he could snitch that she was coming to the rescue, and the only thing she could have over him was Belle.

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[PriceofMagic]

I cant speak on Hook’s behalf, but Regina…yeah…even the Author/The Show has acknowledged that out of every other character…she has gotten screwed over the most, so she has suffered quite dearly for her past sins. Even before she was the Evil Queen, luck was never on Regina’s side.

And given what we’ve seen….just as you wish to say we don’t know what was Rumple’s will or the darkness will, we really don’t know what was Regina’s will or the Author’s manipulation. The freedom of will while concerning the past is up in the air because who knows how much the Author undid and rewrote.

Okay I’ll give you that one in terms of Regina. BOTH Rumple and Regina have had horrible lives so far even without their interactions with each other. But the point still remains, Regina has done horrible things in the past and been forgiven so why shouldn’t Rumple be given the same chance by the other characters? Even in season 2 when Regina backslid, she was forgiven, so why shouldn’t Rumple be forgiven for his backslide in season 4? It’s double standards otherwise.

It also hints at a self-centredness amongst the heroes, they don’t get involved unless someone they care about is in harm’s way. Regina slaughters villages and she’s welcomed into the family with open arms, Rumple tries to kill Hook, and everyone else is giving him the stink eye.

As for the whole Belle situation….no matter what, we were shown Belle extending her hand to help, she probably should have put some stipulations in it. And besides….Rumple wasn’t that concerned with Robin Hood or Roland’s well being when he held their lives over Regina head, so she was forced into finding a way to stop Rumple before he could snitch that she was coming to the rescue, and the only thing she could have over him was Belle.

I disagree. I don’t think Belle needed to stipulate for Regina NOT to take her heart, it should go without saying. Belle also did not give her consent for that. I don’t think Rumple would’ve told Zelena Regina was on her way, he did not give a crap about Zelena and as soon as he left the hospital, he all but said outright to Robin that he should go to Regina. Had Robin actually been smart enough to follow Rumple’s advice, Zelena would’ve been left with no leverage whatsoever. So Robin’s partially at fault in that one for his knack of doing completely the opposite of what he’s told to do. Besides, at the end of the day, Rumple didn’t need Emma to go dark to get what he wanted, and Regina actually performed the finishing touches to his scheme so the AU actually happening was kind of Regina’s fault. All the Belle’s heart situation proved is that Regina is not above throwing other people under the bus to get what SHE wants. Also what I find doubly annoying about the situation is that Regina prevented Rumple from killing Zelena after she’d enslaved him and caused the death of his son because REGINA wanted to give her a second chance, but the moment Zelena threatens Robin, REGINA’S loved one, then Regina is a lot less forgiving and more ruthless. It’s hypocritical that Regina’s okay with Zelena doing whatever so long as she’s not threatening/harming HER loved ones.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[obisgirl]

Well, let me just say, we saw Rumple’s heart in Sympathy for the De Vil and it was pitch black. And we know, hearts don’t get that way by doing good deeds. Commonly, they get that way by doing ‘evil deeds’ and in Rumple’s case, it was a lifetime of doing bad deeds.

Rumple to Belle

It seems that centuries of dark deeds do take their toll. And all that’s left of it… Is this. And pretty soon, that will be gone, too.

In case a reminder is needed:

And.

TVLINE | Would you call Rumple the Big Bad for Season 4B, with the Queens of Darkness almost as his “backup singers”?
KITSIS | Rumple is absolutely the Big Bad. And I would also say that the three women can more than hold their own. It’s a very formidable team of evil coming our way.

http://tvline.com/2014/12/15/once-upon-a-time-season-4-cruella-de-vil-rumplestiltskin-ariel-return/

[Val Fletch]

 No, Henry. Hook did not teach you to sail. Neal did. Hook taught you the thing with the sextant.

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Hook did teach Henry sailing because they went on sailing trips. All Neal did was show Henry how to hold a steering wheel thats it – its not teaching (i didnt learn to drive a car in one lesson, i was TAUGHT continuously). Its not the same as teaching someone in depth like Hook did… in season 3 and season 4 where they did spent time together on sailing trips. and Hook knows more about ships, stars and ropes.

 

I do hope we see more of Henry and Hook scenes

I loved the Emma and Hook scenes and the I love you scene

 

Regina comes in to save Henry.  Henry defending Emma to fight Rumple etc

[PriceofMagic]

TheWatcher wrote:

No, Henry. Hook did not teach you to sail. Neal did. Hook taught you the thing with the sextant.

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Hook did teach Henry sailing because they went on sailing trips. All Neal did was show Henry how to hold a steering wheel thats it – its not teaching (i didnt learn to drive a car in one lesson, i was TAUGHT continuously). Its not the same as teaching someone in depth like Hook did… in season 3 and season 4 where they did spent time together on sailing trips. and Hook knows more about ships, stars and ropes.

Neal did teach Henry to sail partially on the way back to Storybrooke from Manhattan. Whilst you are correct that it would take more than one lesson to learn to sail properly (at least in real life, since Henry had one disastrous driving lesson in 3B yet was able to drive well enough out of Storybrooke and to that diner in Operation Mongoose part 1), the point is that Henry was crediting Hook as being the sole person to teach him to sail, when in reality, Neal played a part in that as well.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Jenna_B]

Seriously?  The Neal vs Hook debate AGAIN?

In my opinion, the only reason Henry didn’t say “and my dad” is because time was of the essence.  Henry knew he already had Hook considering his insane story might be true, and he knew tossing in what Hook would feel was a huge compliment would seal the deal and get them going.  Was Henry really supposed to include ‘and my dad, Neal, but he’s also Baelfire, the Dark One’s son, but you probably don’t know that because it’s unclear whether the Milah story even happened in this universe, blah blah blah’.  They didn’t have time for a family history lesson, they had to go.  Debating who taught Henry how to do something more is, frankly, ridiculous, and definitely not something the writers of the show are concentrating on.

I’m sorry, but every compliment a character, or the writers, give Hook is NOT a jab at Neal.  And yet, this concept is brought up in so many ‘neutral’ threads, and it’s alienated a ton of people.  I was looking forward to being able to share my likes and dislikes about the episodes and see what others thought, but after once again encountering ‘the debate’, I just don’t have the energy.  Rant over.

 

 

 

[RumplesGirl]

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The debate over who taught Henry how to sail has alienated everyone–on BOTH SIDES–and frankly, the episode and season is almost a month past so…move on. henceforth, leave it alone. Don’t bring it up again, anyone.

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